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#2064853 - 04/15/13 08:36 AM Copland Cat and Mouse
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A question: the notes marked by red arrows have neither naturals nor the cautionary accidentals which are used in other places (eg the LH c# in the first m on the second line). Should these really be played as written, ie f#, or is it a misprint and they should be natural f? The passage comes again in the next page, now with explicit naturals.


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#2064862 - 04/15/13 08:54 AM Re: Copland Cat and Mouse [Re: troglodyte]
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Good question.

My first guess would be: Go by the rules, which state that if there was an accidental on the node in question in the same measure, then it's valid for the whole measure. In this case: F# in measure three, natural F in measure four.

But then, the left hand in measure 3 plays C#, and in measure 4 natural C...

So I suggest: Find recordings of that piece and find out how others played it.
Or: Try both versions and choose the one you like better. wink
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#2064909 - 04/15/13 10:19 AM Re: Copland Cat and Mouse [Re: troglodyte]
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My guess is make them both naturals. Another good hint is to look for a repetition of the passage elsewhere in the piece to see if it's notated differently.

These things happen with some frequency in publishing.
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#2064912 - 04/15/13 10:28 AM Re: Copland Cat and Mouse [Re: troglodyte]
Nikolas Offline
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The second instance is DEFINITELY (almost, ok) an F natural. Reason for that is that it is on the same beam with another F natural (right before on the left hand). In Finale the beam stays in the same staff and THEN you move it to another staff, which means that the natural (if it was in the same staff) was not needed (since it's the previous note). HOWEVER the editor should've added it. EDIT: It's NOT the same octave, so the above doesn't apply, but still...

The first instance is more difficult to tell from a technical point of view (as above), but again surrounded by F naturals before and after, I think it's safe to assume it's a natural as well.
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#2064928 - 04/15/13 10:55 AM Re: Copland Cat and Mouse [Re: troglodyte]
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Going off of Copland's own recording, he plays F natural.
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#2065353 - 04/16/13 05:09 AM Re: Copland Cat and Mouse [Re: troglodyte]
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Thanks Koji. Natural it is then.

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