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#2069147 - 04/23/13 06:56 AM Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante
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This is a work that is rather more difficult to play than it seems. I have made a stab at mastering the element and many positives shine, but I am sure a chorus will agree more work is needed for a final polish!

Andante Spianato
https://www.box.com/s/cqjwaom9t83uz3xg40a2

Grand Polonaise Brilliante
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#2069273 - 04/23/13 11:15 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I'm a little too busy to listen right now, but later today I will post some feedback when I have time to listen carefully. smile
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#2069276 - 04/23/13 11:24 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I'm a little too busy to listen right now, but later today I will post some feedback when I have time to listen carefully. smile


I'm sure you'll have a wonderful time listening carefully to BachMach2.


Edited by GeorgeB (04/23/13 11:25 AM)

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#2069287 - 04/23/13 11:45 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Poly: Before spending time, make sure to check out some of the replies to his prior posts. grin

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#2069413 - 04/23/13 03:41 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Poly: Before spending time, make sure to check out some of the replies to his prior posts. grin


Marc_C :

Surely you wouldn't want Polyphonist to approach this listening experience with any pre-conceived notions, would you, based on impressions of previous "performances" from this member? Why not let him come to it open-minded?

I, for one, find myself at a loss for words in this instance, therefore I eagerly await a searching review and detailed critique from one who hesitates not to say what he thinks.

Cheers!
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#2069623 - 04/23/13 10:32 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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All right. I'm going to be listening to the performance now. I'm just going to do a running commentary as I listen, and then listen once more afterwards while reading through my comments.
Here goes!

...

After listening to about 20 seconds of it, I have one comment: Is this a joke? If it is, it's in very poor taste...and if it's not, well...







...no comment. wink

Originally Posted By: BruceD
...I eagerly await a searching review and detailed critique from one who hesitates not to say what he thinks.

Sorry if I disappointed you. grin
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#2069626 - 04/23/13 10:36 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
After listening to about 20 seconds of it, I have one comment: Is this a joke?....

Good job.
You figured it out about a month faster than any of the rest of us did. grin
And I think some members still aren't sure.

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#2069646 - 04/23/13 11:07 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?
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#2069647 - 04/23/13 11:09 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?

I wondered that a bit too. I think the main answer is that our moderators and admins are very reluctant to take any such actions and have the bar set pretty high. (Or low, depending on how we want to look at it.) ha
Also we could say that while these posts are (presumably) basically fraudulent, they're harmless. Some people even find them amusing, and some even think they're pretty high humor (and I don't mean stoned, although I could.) grin
Still, if I were 'staff' (and I'm glad I'm not) shocked I'd at least tell him to cut it out.

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#2069648 - 04/23/13 11:11 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?


Good question !!! ha
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#2069649 - 04/23/13 11:13 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Has he ever come back to respond on any one of his ridiculous threads? wink
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#2069651 - 04/23/13 11:14 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Has he ever come back to respond on any one of his ridiculous threads? wink

He's probably always been too busy laughing. grin

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#2069652 - 04/23/13 11:15 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Has he ever come back to respond on any one of his ridiculous threads? wink

He's probably always been too busy laughing. grin

I guess not-looks like his "All Posts" list is exactly the same as his "Topics Created" list. grin
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#2069653 - 04/23/13 11:18 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Maybe if we just ignored his posts-he'd stop trolling. ha
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#2069656 - 04/23/13 11:20 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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The sad thing is that technically, he's recorded the complete Beethoven sonatas, and we haven't though....hahaaa
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#2069658 - 04/23/13 11:21 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
...."Topics Created" list.

Thanks for mentioning that -- I never realized we had such a thing!

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#2069661 - 04/23/13 11:21 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
The sad thing is that technically, he's recorded the complete Beethoven sonatas, and we haven't though....hahaaa

I could go right now, sit at the piano, and sight-read through the complete sonatas, and have a better recording than his. ha
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#2069663 - 04/23/13 11:23 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
The sad thing is that technically, he's recorded the complete Beethoven sonatas, and we haven't though....hahaaa

I could go right now, sit at the piano, and sight-read through the complete sonatas, and have a better recording than his. ha

Come to think of it, I could do that for any piece. ha
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#2069667 - 04/23/13 11:29 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Originally Posted By: BachMach2
This is a work that is rather more difficult to play than it seems.

(Or than you seem to think it is.)

I have made a stab at mastering the element and many positives shine,

(or not)

but I am sure a chorus will agree more work is needed for a final polish...

(...which will, sadly, never occur.)


Words in parentheses are my own. ha
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#2069770 - 04/24/13 05:37 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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As always, BachMach2 delivers a stunning performance! Beautiful piano sound, wonderful recording equipment and techniques, brilliant acoustics, and the playing is of course, just marvelous. Wonderful pauses scattered throughout add to the meditative quality of Chopin's music, while extra notes not written in the score are added for a little extra dissonance where it is artistically useful.

I have extra tickets to the BachMach2 recital at Carnegie Hall next month, and I'll let them go for only $2000 each! Rumor has it there will be a specially selected Belarus (or perhaps it was Brambach; I can't recall) spinet piano with a concert tuning done by yours truly (with a full month of piano tuning experience) in my newly developed proprietary 'awful temperament!'
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#2070000 - 04/24/13 02:27 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Sam Rose]
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Sam - your tagline "You can play better than BachMach2." - Mark_C totally cracked me up!

High praise indeed!
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#2070125 - 04/24/13 05:46 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?






Why would he be?
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#2070126 - 04/24/13 05:47 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Has he ever come back to respond on any one of his ridiculous threads? wink

Yes.
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#2070129 - 04/24/13 05:48 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Has he ever come back to respond on any one of his ridiculous threads? wink

He's probably always been too busy laughing. grin

I guess not-looks like his "All Posts" list is exactly the same as his "Topics Created" list. grin


No, it's not the same.
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#2070130 - 04/24/13 05:50 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
The sad thing is that technically, he's recorded the complete Beethoven sonatas, and we haven't though....hahaaa

I could go right now, sit at the piano, and sight-read through the complete sonatas, and have a better recording than his. ha


Let's hear it!
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#2070141 - 04/24/13 06:16 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Hats off gentlemen. A genius i=performance!

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#2070144 - 04/24/13 06:20 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?
Because some people have a sense of humor.

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#2070259 - 04/24/13 10:18 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?
Because some people have a sense of humor.

I wonder how they retain it through this poster's 60-odd ridiculous recordings.
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#2070264 - 04/24/13 10:25 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?
Because some people have a sense of humor.

I wonder how they retain it through this poster's 60-odd ridiculous recordings.
The recordings and comments are meant to be ridiculous. That's the whole point.

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#2070267 - 04/24/13 10:27 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?
Because some people have a sense of humor.

I wonder how they retain it through this poster's 60-odd ridiculous recordings.
The recordings and comments are meant to be ridiculous. That's the whole point.

This is not meant to be a ridiculous forum, so posting ridiculous things on it repeatedly seems quite unacceptable, no? Once, fine. 60 times, not so much.
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#2070319 - 04/24/13 11:19 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I'm just waiting for a recording which is played really well....that would totally be the highlight of the year if it happened.
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#2070707 - 04/25/13 02:34 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Well, he seems to be prolific so maybe in a "million monkeys on a million typewriters" kind of way it could happen.
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#2070852 - 04/25/13 06:10 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?
Because some people have a sense of humor.

I wonder how they retain it through this poster's 60-odd ridiculous recordings.
The recordings and comments are meant to be ridiculous. That's the whole point.

This is not meant to be a ridiculous forum, so posting ridiculous things on it repeatedly seems quite unacceptable, no? Once, fine. 60 times, not so much.


Ultimately it just seems like a complete waste of the OP's time.
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#2070949 - 04/25/13 08:41 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Vid]
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Originally Posted By: Vid
Well, he seems to be prolific so maybe in a "million monkeys on a million typewriters" kind of way it could happen.

That wouldn't be necessary. All that would be needed would be for him to play how he can.
As opposed to how he "can." ha

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#2070996 - 04/25/13 09:48 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Vid
Well, he seems to be prolific so maybe in a "million monkeys on a million typewriters" kind of way it could happen.

That wouldn't be necessary. All that would be needed would be for him to play how he can.
As opposed to how he "can." ha

We don't even know if it's a joke, he may just be the worst pianist on the planet.
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#2071008 - 04/25/13 09:58 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Vid
Well, he seems to be prolific so maybe in a "million monkeys on a million typewriters" kind of way it could happen.

That wouldn't be necessary. All that would be needed would be for him to play how he can.
As opposed to how he "can." ha

We don't even know if it's a joke, he may just be the worst pianist on the planet.


Listen closely. There are many tell-tale signs that belie BachMach2's true talent. He is a far better pianist than he is showcasing for us here. Listen for the clues if you dare. Otherwise, simply enjoy the "art." Or not.
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#2071026 - 04/25/13 10:20 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Accidents? grin ha whome
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#2072882 - 04/28/13 03:07 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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#2076092 - 05/02/13 06:33 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
We don't even know if it's a joke, he may just be the worst pianist on the planet.

I take umbrage at that statement. I reserve that title for myself!

Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Listen closely. There are many tell-tale signs that belie BachMach2's true talent. He is a far better pianist than he is showcasing for us here. Listen for the clues if you dare. Otherwise, simply enjoy the "art." Or not.

Yes, absolutely. Being the "worst pianist on the planet", I know when I'm listening to someone who's not. Polyphonist, you may call them "accidents", but if you listen to some of his runs, very fast passages, etc. his playing belies a certain fluidity that someone like myself would be incapable of, whether I was "sight reading" or not. And then when playing some extremely easy passages, like simple chords played slowly, he struggles mightily - misses notes, wrong dynamics, uneven tempo, etc. Makes no sense. Nope, CB's right: There's much more "there" there.

Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
I'm just waiting for a recording which is played really well....that would totally be the highlight of the year if it happened.

You are exactly right. In fact, I said the same thing in an older thread. The day may come when BM2 slips us a diamond, and he'll laugh his head off waiting to see who, if anyone, will notice.

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#2076172 - 05/02/13 09:00 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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You're quite a discerning fellow, Old Man. ha
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#2076226 - 05/02/13 10:05 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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I'm not the poster who's being talked about here right? Is it really fraudulent? I'm going to be honest here, I had the ideas for about a year before I read these books, and these books were certainly enlightening. And these books were all free, Project Gutenberg(AWESOME). If I remember correctly there's a chapter where the author mentions something about having a teacher who recommended slow practice that destroyed her technique. I feel like the dreg of unfocused slow practice without musical concentration could do that. However, I like my method of slow practice, and was just trying to share it. I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my ideas. I was just excited to join the forum.
All the best!

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#2076231 - 05/02/13 10:08 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: hujidong]
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Originally Posted By: hujidong
I'm not the poster who's being talked about here right? Is it really fraudulent? I'm going to be honest here, I had the ideas for about a year before I read these books, and these books were certainly enlightening. And these books were all free, Project Gutenberg(AWESOME). If I remember correctly there's a chapter where the author mentions something about having a teacher who recommended slow practice that destroyed her technique. I feel like the dreg of unfocused slow practice without musical concentration could do that. However, I like my method of slow practice, and was just trying to share it. I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my ideas. I was just excited to join the forum.
All the best!

HAHA

No, you're not the one being talked about. We're discussing BachMach2, the mysterious OP. Listen to the recording if you dare. grin

Sorry about the misunderstanding.
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#2076232 - 05/02/13 10:10 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Good lord where did my mind go o.o

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#2076236 - 05/02/13 10:11 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Maybe it was sucked away by the stupidity of this thread. ha

Leave for a few minutes and you'll recover. tiki

(what does tiki mean and why did I use it?)
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#2076246 - 05/02/13 10:32 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Maybe I'm just paranoid. O.O

Well I had a listen and you can really deliver on that melody voice. I think you have a tendency to stop a little too much at the end of a 'phrase', which since being inside the piece of music is never a real end but a new beginning.
You really keep the energy going!! There is crazy potential to get better with conduits that can then better the projection of what you hear in your head when you think about it!
It sounds like you could use some technical work to get those hands in shape and play a ton better!!
So I have an idea about those arpeggio kind of things in the beginning. It sounds like your left hand needs some work to get a softer attack on the keyboard with the crazy motions going on. So you could try practicing, idk, for me I've never played the piece so I'm going to go with a wild guess and say maybe I'd use 5-2-1 then 4-2-1 or something. So I would take the shape of the whole first arpeggio, whatever it is, and see if your hands can play that shape in unison on the keyboard. That could maybe help to develop unison relationships between your fingers. If it is difficult to develop independent finger control for you then maybe you could try pressing down the first note of the arpeggio, trying to control every tiny movement the whole push down, and then finding how much you need to keep pushing to hold it down, and then try to control the complete release of the finger and transfer the weight to a different finger, with the same concentrations on what is going on. The movement is kind of like a low as possible chain of arc movements on the keyboard. It is efficient!
So then if there is a thumb turn, I would practice 5-1-4 or 2-1-4 or 2-1-2, then maybe 52-4, with 5 and 2 going down together, 52-2, then 52-42 if it's possible with help from the wrists. It might help to focus the complete way between every movement to get control of finer actions!

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#2076247 - 05/02/13 10:34 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I'm afraid you've wasted your time, sir. ha

I will not say more.
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#2076249 - 05/02/13 10:38 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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That's a shame, don't you feel like life's things are worth sharing? You really shot down this BachMach2 kid, and he sounds pretty damn musical. Do you feel that he's not even worth a shot, that his 60-odd recordings are all so bad and having nothing to give, no individuality, that time shouldn't even be spent in an attempt to help him to become better at his hobby, and with the 60-odd recordings, maybe passion?

It's sad you won't say more.

I must say, from the posts I've seen from you, you are quite the character.

P.S. Especially because you could be recording glorious Beethoven sonatas to share with us.
Or could you link me to some? Is it against forum rules to not look myself?


Edited by hujidong (05/02/13 10:39 PM)

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#2076250 - 05/02/13 10:42 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: hujidong]
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That's a shame, don't you feel like life's things are worth sharing? You really shot down this BachMach2 kid, and he sounds pretty damn musical. Do you feel that he's not even worth a shot, that his 60-odd recordings are all so bad and having nothing to give, no individuality, that time shouldn't even be spent in an attempt to help him to become better at his hobby, and with the 60-odd recordings, maybe passion?

It's sad you won't say more.

I must say, from the posts I've seen from you, you are quite the character.

P.S. Especially because you could be recording glorious Beethoven sonatas to share with us.
Or could you link me to some? Is it against forum rules to not look myself?

About BachMach2...I think you should take a look at some other opinions on him. I don't think they vary too much. ha He is obviously trolling and trying to bait us into replying to his stupid recordings.

I am definitely "quite the character" - isn't that a good thing? grin

I could be recording Beethoven sonatas - but I'm too lazy. ha
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#2076253 - 05/02/13 10:46 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Maybe all he has is a recording device that can't work well. And from the quality of posts I've been seeing on this forum, a lot of nooby bashing. Really nooby bashing. But to be honest I haven't read through this thread yet so I don't know.

If you are a real artist and you say that you are being lazy, then you are just being really selfish.

I think I've interested you into saying more, mr. sillysquares

Quite the character..

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#2076256 - 05/02/13 10:47 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: hujidong]
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Huji: He's a pretty fine pianist who is purposely playing lousy on these stupid recordings. smile

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#2076259 - 05/02/13 10:48 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: hujidong]
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You're starting to get quite rude now, my friend. Cut it out before I message a moderator.
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#2076262 - 05/02/13 10:53 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Sorry, I have a short temper and a terrible allergic reaction that happens sometimes.
Good plan I guess.
Let's stop this flaming thing?
Sorry about the mess.

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#2076266 - 05/02/13 10:55 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: hujidong]
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Let's stop this flaming thing?

Let's!
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#2076267 - 05/02/13 11:00 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I tried sneakily sifting through your recent posts, but I couldn't find a recording of you. You must be really really good. Could you link us to any of your recordings??
Personally, I would love to hear you! Please?

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#2076272 - 05/02/13 11:06 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Why do you think I'm really good? grin
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#2076273 - 05/02/13 11:08 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Omg did I uncover your joke. It is hilarious. Hats off to you. bwahahahaha

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#2076278 - 05/02/13 11:13 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: hujidong]
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Omg did I uncover your joke. It is hilarious. Hats off to you. bwahahahaha

So you've come to the realization? ha

You found out faster than most people did. Unfortunately, I beat you...look back in the thread. laugh
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#2076287 - 05/02/13 11:17 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Amazing!
I read through it was like wow.
Let's play hangman!
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#2076294 - 05/02/13 11:23 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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What are you insinuating? ha
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#2076297 - 05/02/13 11:24 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Random word, what are you :,(

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#2076307 - 05/02/13 11:31 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I'm insinuating an insinuation.

(What does that mean? grin)
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#2076311 - 05/02/13 11:37 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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That you started it :P

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#2076543 - 05/03/13 10:12 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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#2076708 - 05/03/13 02:54 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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The intention was not to insult each other, we're just having fun. I'll stop now. grin
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#2076776 - 05/03/13 05:30 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Thank you.

I'll stop too.

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#2076805 - 05/03/13 06:27 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?

Maybe because us a few of us (myself and 2 or 3 other twisted souls) find him hilarious? blush (OK, that's probably not the reason.)

My question to you, Polyphonist, would be: why ban him? He insults no one, yet he receives every form of insult and ridicule imaginable. He costs PW nothing because he seldom writes, and his recordings are stored at Box. He wastes no one's time because his threads, like all other threads, are mouse-selectable. So any time wasted is purely voluntary. So what's the harm?

Some might say that BachMach2 is an acquired taste, but he's not. He's an immediate taste. It only took you 20 seconds of listening to suggest banning him, and you're not alone. The first PW critique of his first recording (by liszt85) was: "The recording sucked as did the playing." Despite the heavy nuance of this comment, I think I caught the drift.

So if his very presence in this hallowed forum offends you, then by all means, seek a ban. Until then, I will continue to enjoy his "shtick". But could you just give me a "heads up", so I can accelerate my listening? I'm only up to Beethoven No. 11. laugh

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#2076807 - 05/03/13 06:45 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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So any time wasted is purely voluntary.


You've hit the nail on the head !!!!!! thumb
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#2076818 - 05/03/13 07:28 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
[...] "The recording sucked as did the playing." Despite the heavy nuance of this comment [...]


LOL!!! Old Man hit the nail on the head twice in one post, with his own degree of nuance!

Originally Posted By: Old Man
[...] So if his very presence in this hallowed forum offends you, then by all means, seek a ban. Until then, I will continue to enjoy his "shtick". But could you just give me a "heads up", so I can accelerate my listening? I'm only up to Beethoven No. 11. laugh


And since BachMach2 has said that, given enough time, he will play through everything, we have a lot to look forward to. Go BachMach!!! thumb


Edited by Cinnamonbear (05/03/13 07:29 PM)
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#2076826 - 05/03/13 07:52 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
....why ban him? He insults no one, yet he receives every form of insult and ridicule imaginable. He costs PW nothing because he seldom writes, and his recordings are stored at Box. He wastes no one's time because his threads, like all other threads, are mouse-selectable. So any time wasted is purely voluntary. So what's the harm?....

Looks like you have a pleasantly blind spot. grin

It's fraudulent.

For those of us who know what's going on, what you said is true. But people who don't (yet) know what he's doing, which is pretty much anyone who's fairly new here, DO have their time wasted. (Likewise people who aren't new who just don't buy what he's doing, but that's their problem.) ha

Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Old Man
So any time wasted is purely voluntary.


You've hit the nail on the head !!!!!! thumb

See above. grin
You're having the the same blind spot.

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#2076836 - 05/03/13 08:13 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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What in the world is going on with the whole bachmach2 thing. Good lord.

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#2076839 - 05/03/13 08:17 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Mark -

ha Of course !!!!

But once those folks realize what's going on, the time wasted is indeed purely voluntary !! grin
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#2076863 - 05/03/13 08:53 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: carey]
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Mark -

ha Of course !!!!

But once those folks realize what's going on, the time wasted is indeed purely voluntary !! grin


Indeed! And it doesn't take long to realize what is going on. smokin ha If people really ignored him he would probably stop, but he keeps getting a lot of attention, so he keeps having fun. tiki
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#2076866 - 05/03/13 08:58 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Looks like you have a pleasantly blind spot. grin


Looks like you enjoy wasting your time.
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#2076893 - 05/03/13 10:34 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Indeed! And it doesn't take long to realize what is going on..... smokin ha

One might think so grin but, it took our "brain trust," our entire brain trust (such as there was) working together, utilizing all their brainpower (such as there was), about a month. ha

What I'm caring about is new members. As we've seen, they usually don't know for a while (how could they?), and waste time meanwhile.

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#2077019 - 05/04/13 06:24 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Wow! Someone might waste 5 minutes of their time! Must be some very busy and highly important person. What a tragedy!

The idea that someone's time is so valuable and important that losing a few minutes is a problem is beyond ridiculous and full of self importance.


Edited by pianoloverus (05/04/13 07:02 AM)

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#2077058 - 05/04/13 08:46 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I didn't bother wasting 5 minutes of my time, but I did waste a whole 20 seconds after turning down the volume on my computer wasn't enough to make it bearable to listen to. Now I want my 20 seconds back (and my sanity). Seriously, this guy can play well enough to mock the music, but I doubt I'll be listening to any more smirk
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#2077090 - 05/04/13 10:00 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

What I'm caring about is new members. As we've seen, they usually don't know for a while (how could they?), and waste time meanwhile.


But it seems, mostly, that you care that they think what you want them to think, as you waste more time in BM2 threads than anyone else.
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#2077103 - 05/04/13 10:32 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
....why ban him? He insults no one, yet he receives every form of insult and ridicule imaginable. He costs PW nothing because he seldom writes, and his recordings are stored at Box. He wastes no one's time because his threads, like all other threads, are mouse-selectable. So any time wasted is purely voluntary. So what's the harm?....

Looks like you have a pleasantly blind spot. grin
It's fraudulent.

For those of us who know what's going on, what you said is true. But people who don't (yet) know what he's doing, which is pretty much anyone who's fairly new here, DO have their time wasted. (Likewise people who aren't new who just don't buy what he's doing, but that's their problem.) ha

Mark, I think it may be you who has the blind spot. grin

Are you saying that among all the many thousands of threads on this forum, only BachMach2's contributions are a waste of time? All the rest are transcendental experiences, posts of great depth and profound insight? Speaking for myself, I've wasted plenty of time perusing threads that I found boring, silly, or simply "above my pay grade", so I could easily make the same claim. But since I control the mouse that sits on my desk, I don't feel that I need a protector.

Originally Posted By: MarkC
It's fraudulent.

Fraudulent? Isn't "fraud" a legal term? Wikipedia says fraud is "intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual." What has BachMach "gained", beyond a few chuckles? And what damage has been inflicted upon the rest of us?

Here's a quick summary of BachMach's crimes, as I see it:

1. He posted an introductory essay ("What it 'means' to be a pianist"), an incoherent assemblage of non-sequiturs that I personally found hilarious, despite the fact I didn't understand a word of it.
2. He posts technically poor recordings of equally poor piano playing, which he prefaces with semi-delusional descriptions of their value.
3. He occasionally posts critiques of others' performances, which are also incoherent, but are never rude or strident.

Basically he confines himself to Members Recordings, he never forces himself on us, and his posts are clearly labeled. I think those few newbies who happen upon his threads will survive the experience without significant mental trauma.

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#2077129 - 05/04/13 12:00 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: pianoloverus]
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[blah blah blah] ha


A lot of people (a whole lot) have only learned of what's going on because of such posts, and had kept wasting their time on these recordings till then. If you consider this a waste, fine. Because you're wrong. smile

Originally Posted By: Old Man
....his posts are clearly labeled....

Not at all for what they are.

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#2077157 - 05/04/13 01:19 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Damon]
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What I'm caring about is new members. As we've seen, they usually don't know for a while (how could they?), and waste time meanwhile.


But it seems, mostly, that you care that they think what you want them to think, as you waste more time in BM2 threads than anyone else.
Exactly.

The whole idea that wasting a few minutes is something serious is ludicrous. The person who "wasted a few minutes" would have to be incredibly self rightoeus and self important to feel someone had committed some "fraudulunt" act if they fell for BM2's completely obvious and simple joke.

An absurd example of making something out of nothing.

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#2077159 - 05/04/13 01:22 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: pianoloverus]
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....BM2's completely obvious and simple joke....

Stupefyingly false. smile

We all didn't figure it out for a while, and some people even now don't agree that that's what it is.

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#2077161 - 05/04/13 01:23 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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It's fraudulent.

Fraudulent? Isn't "fraud" a legal term? Wikipedia says fraud is "intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual." What has BachMach "gained", beyond a few chuckles? And what damage has been inflicted upon the rest of us?
If someone feels self important enough they can apparently feel that 5 minutes of their time is incredibly valuable.


Edited by pianoloverus (05/04/13 03:32 PM)

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#2077202 - 05/04/13 03:10 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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If their time was so valuable, then why would they be on a forum on the Internet anyway?
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#2077205 - 05/04/13 03:14 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Because this forum is an incredible community of loveable people? laugh

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#2077221 - 05/04/13 03:36 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
....BM2's completely obvious and simple joke....

Stupefyingly false. smile

We all didn't figure it out for a while, and some people even now don't agree that that's what it is.

I guess some of us are just slower than others? grin Only took Polyphonist 20 seconds.

But I'm a bit slow myself. Heck, it took me over a year to realize that pianoloverus really does have a sense of humor! laugh

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#2077225 - 05/04/13 03:41 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Only took Polyphonist 20 seconds.

Well, sort of. It was a guess. But it was an informed guess. grin
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#2077227 - 05/04/13 03:41 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Listening to the recording was very informative, for me. I found out all about the poster in 20 seconds.
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#2077235 - 05/04/13 03:54 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Listening to the recording was very informative, for me. I found out all about the poster in 20 seconds.


Aren't you devastated that you can't get that time back? Or this time?
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#2077392 - 05/04/13 09:40 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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This is the first of his recordings I've listened to. Oddly, I kept thinking of David Helfgott.

Whoever it is, it is hard for me to imagine that a mere prankster could play this role over a long period with such consistency and dedication, or would even have the motivation. Given that there is some ambiguity about exactly what is going on, I think I won't assume that it's all a joke. You know - just in case it isn't.

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#2077406 - 05/04/13 10:17 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
....Given that there is some ambiguity about exactly what is going on....

Some folks think there isn't.

(See?) grin

I mean, I don't think there is either. But anyone who thinks everyone can easily tell, just look here with your eyes open. smile
Not to mention countless other threads.

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#2077420 - 05/04/13 11:15 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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It's not only the music in itself... but also how he introduces it ("nice take" etc.) that convince most of us that he is having fun. He will certainly be happy that he got so much attention in this thread!
However, I am not angry or annoyed. After all this is the Internet! ha smokin

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#2078057 - 05/06/13 02:06 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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You the best OP, keep it up smile

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