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It's been pointed out to some of us that it's not necessarily courageous to submit something, sometimes it's presumptious. Apparently it's only considered courageous when a certain standard is met. Which I why I've decided not to impose on the good nature of the audience.

Oops. I could've sworn I read something somewhere a serious suggestion about starting an intermediate recital and nominating/voting for people to move to it... but I don't have the time or inclination to re-read this monstrous thread to find that post and/or discover that I was hallucinating it.

So, to echo the words of the immortal Emily Litella, "never mind!"

What I hope most devoutly is that *nobody* takes this thread or the lengthy and sometimes contentious discussion on this thread as a message that they should not participate, whether you be a brand new beginner or advanced pianist. I believe a consensus has been reached and expressed that ALL are welcome.

Well, being new, I've not seen this. I have an opionion about that, which can be guessed at by my above comment. Looking at your signature, anyone who has worked as hard as you have(MOYD since 2007) deserves encouragemet not comments that you are imposing on the audience. We each progress at different rates. Music does not come easily to many. Some are talented. Some simply have to work their butts off! I would hope the new title of "Beginner and Beyond" would include and encourage not the opposite.

I don't understand that -Frycek. I don't think it reflects the feelings of the great majority of people posting here. I would encourage you to rethink your position. Or out the person who told you that, and we'll explain to him/her (gently or not, as the case warrants) that the ABF, and the ABaB Recital, is meant to be a welcoming environment for all, and especially for people who might have doubts about their abilities or achievements.

In regards to the ABF in general, my impression has been that there is a bunch of people who find themselves being students of piano playing when they are no longer children, and that once upon a time the feeling was that piano student and child were synonyms. And then there are people who have had solid training, probably in childhood, and don't really consider themselves as learners that much, so they're looking mostly on how they are interpreting music, refining their playing and so on. The ABF is "the-group-that-isn't-this-second-group-because-we-are-still-learning" group. "Beginners" never really fit. TGTITSGBWASL is probably a tad long. "Beginners and Beyond" sounds good to me. It also helps with the awkward situation of the odd 15 year old who doesn't fit in any age-related group.

Frycek - there will always be the ignorant person here and there who says an ignorant thing, but they don't represent anyone. It's also possible for people to put their feet in their mouth and come across differently than intended. The Internet is great (not!) for that.


(Worth quoting, with thanks on behalf of all the timid people out there, for whatever reason.)

Sorry guys, I've been having a super bad day (work, new computer system,etc) and was feeling a little bitter.

That may have been TrapperJohn. I think we should throw him out!!!

Come on SH, let's have a committee. This is fun.

Submitting our work is an opportunity, a unique and very valuable one, to prepare a piece with more focus than we might usually apply and reap the benefits that level of focus brings to our practise and our technique. For some of us it may be our only opportunity to have an audience after countless hours of practise in solitude.

That others are afforded the joys of hearing their peers and their forum friends at the same time is a bonus.

If you've been the recipient of a negative reaction in the past it may take some courage to submit again but you owe it to yourself to make a submission if you can and we really want to hear our peers and our forum friends. We can't always put a face to the name but it helps to listen to them play.

Negativity is uncharacteristic of this group and any public repeat would be met with widespread condemnation because it detracts from the recital, the forum, the participants and Piano World as a whole.

Everyone is invited to participate. No-one is forced to listen to any of the pieces.

It is not am imposition but an offering. We WANT to hear others, not to judge them but to judge ourselves, to see what's possible. It allows us to listen to a wider range of music, it thrills us to hear the diversity of music and the diversity of the performers, encourages us to see how far we've come or where we've come from and it inspires us to go on, to investigate other composers, other genres, other pieces.

It is our nature to be curious. We want to know what music other people choose and hear new interpretations of familiar pieces. Perhaps we might hear something we can add to our own music.

I've read many of your posts on the forum and would be very curious to hear what sounds you bring to the world. It saddening that your silence is thrust upon all of us because of one ungrateful wretch.

Peyton, what I'd really like to do is get together with you, my friend Rossy, my friend Tallguy, my friend Trapper and anyone else who wants to just hang out.

You see, we all have a LOT in common and as a result can easily become good friends. even on the internet.

It's possible that not all of our magnetic headings are in alignment with each other at all times but that is no big deal.

It is no big deal because this is where the word 'intent' comes in.

I honestly believe that all of us have the same 'intent', that being to love, share and appreciate our music with others.

I've seen incredible amounts of passion with Rossy and his RST thread. He is very proud of what he created and rightfully so. There may be occasional conflicts (as there is everywhere), but the passion is obviously there.

Tallguy and myself have a lot in common. We even chose the EXACT same recital piece as out first recital submission.

Trapper has an incredible amount of musical passion. (Tell him Karen Carpenter is no good and see what happens!). Just look at the incredibly detailed descriptions he always provides along with his performance of the tune. He is deeply passionate about it and it shows.

And Peyton, you too are an incredible inspiration to all of us. I can honestly say that your Yan Tiersen 'Compte' video was the most professionally presented (to mean more than just the playing, but EVERYTHING} video I have ever seen on this site and probalby any site.

I know for a fact that we will all get along just fine in the future because we all have the same common goal.

Sure, we'll have to fine tune it along the way (like what we're doing right now) but that is to be expected.

I NEED (more than just want) my sleep at night and don't want to be up worrying what 'so and so' has said or done. If that actually is the case, then something is very wrong and needs to be worked out.

The Camaraderie of this forum has always been so strong that an occasional hiccup along the way is not too unsettling.

Everything will ultimately work out fine because this group simply has too much substance for it not to.





Frycek, It would be an honor to have you participate in our recitals once again. I for one am specifically requesting that you participate in our future recitals. The nonsense in the past is over.

OK, I haven't been around in a long time. I think I participated in the first 11 recitals, but this same discussion was going on years ago! I never felt like my playing lived up to some of the others, but I enjoyed joining in. Personally, I really loved the mix and the beginners mixed in with those with...shall we say...much more experience. These recitals have been going on for so long now, why change anything?

Sleep my friend, sleep. We only talk about you when you are not around and make sure everything is deleted by the time you wake up...

Seriously, this is the best all around forum I've ever been on. The lack of animosity, contention and sniping that is so rampant on the internet is almost amazing. And since we are all throwing kudos around...You are one of the best things going with this forum Mr SH. Your excellent piano playing, imagination and all around good sense of humor never fail to brighten my day.

Ah, so that's how misinformation gets traction!

That was me - an "Intermediate and Beyond" Recital - but the voting wasn't to force people to move to it involuntarily, whether they wanted to or not - the voting was to permit or allow people to be admitted once it was agreed that they had reached that level, but only if they wanted or desired to do so voluntarily ... current members would vote secretly on prospective willing applicants...the key words here are: no force - all voluntary!

I'd join it, if voted in - but there are big questions about who's doing the initial voting to get it set up & running and who's organizing things - certainly not me - I'm not that serious about it - I like the present ABF Recitals just fine.

I would say, however, that if it makes sense to change the name of the Recital to "Beginner and Beyond" (although I'm not admitting that it does) then it doesn't make sense not to change the forum name to that also...

And watch what any of you say about Karen

Just wanted to seriously let you people know. I don't have much inclination to post something I did. I hope people don't take it as rude. Or conceited or anything like that. I just personally can't see myself posting anything unless it is an experience I enjoyed and want to share with you all.

As far as all the talk of naming this or that. I didn't really follow it. Just to mention...I rather like the name: Armed with Keys.

+1

This is why I miss you, Rocky; you're a wise person indeed.

I love the to and fro of this thread - will it go on forever......I sorta hope so

Trap I follow your logic. The only reason I'm not pushing for the forum name change, just the recital, is because the forum is not 'ours'. It is Franks.

The quarterly recitals is something within the forum itself that all of us created. But it is not the actual forum.

Frank may have a marketing reason why he chooses the forum names that he does. Key word searches, hash tags etc. I have no idea.

Since the actual forum name itself has never caused any problems then it has never caused any problems. The recital name however has caused lots-O-past discussions.

If Frank wants to rename the ABF to the AB&B forum then I would support that 100%. But if he has business reasons not too I would also completely understand and support that decision as well.

It's all good.

+1

Thanks, I'll take it under advisement.

Will there not be any nonsense in the future?
How dissapointing

I'm sure with a drama queen like me around some nonsense can be arranged.