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I don't get the joke, although somehow I feel like there is supposed to be one... ha

Mind tipping me off as to what it is? grin


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OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE A RECORDING EXISTS!?

I'll listen later, but so excited....


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Is that definitely Horowitz on this recording?

It's a fairly wild performance, with a few clangers here and there. It's interesting, though I'm not sure I really love it. Seems a little underprepared for the recording.


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Originally Posted by ando
Is that definitely Horowitz on this recording?

It's a fairly wild performance, with a few clangers here and there. It's interesting, though I'm not sure I really love it. Seems a little underprepared for the recording.


Horowitz did plenty of wildness and clanging in a lot of pieces. And where did you get that it was a recording? It doesn't actually say it anywhere-could be a live performance. smile


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Horowitz or not, it sounds a tad messy.

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Originally Posted by didyougethathing
Horowitz or not, it sounds a tad messy.

The recording is allegedly from the 1970s, a time during which messiness was moreso than usual a part of Horowitz's trademark sound. There's a lot in this recording that is obviously Horowitzian - the dryness of the fast passages, the attack of the low bass octaves, etc.

I know he programmed this particular piece a lot in his younger days. Now if we could only hear him playing the first two movements - I'm already in love with the imaginary recording of Horowitz playing Ondine that exists only in my head!

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If that's Horowitz, then I'm the King of England.


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Actually it sounds much more like Alphonse Sauer than Horowitz. smile

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
"it"..."could be a live performance." smile


But then we wouldn't be able to listen to it would we?



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Originally Posted by stores
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"it"..."could be a live performance." smile


But then we wouldn't be able to listen to it would we?


Precisely, it's a recording because we can download and listen to it on the internet.

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Originally Posted by ando
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"it"..."could be a live performance." smile


But then we wouldn't be able to listen to it would we?


Precisely, it's a recording because we can download and listen to it on the internet.

It could be a recording of a live performance...that's normally what is meant by the phrase...


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Originally Posted by fledgehog
Originally Posted by didyougethathing
Horowitz or not, it sounds a tad messy.

The recording is allegedly from the 1970s, a time during which messiness was moreso than usual a part of Horowitz's trademark sound. There's a lot in this recording that is obviously Horowitzian - the dryness of the fast passages, the attack of the low bass octaves, etc.

I know he programmed this particular piece a lot in his younger days. Now if we could only hear him playing the first two movements - I'm already in love with the imaginary recording of Horowitz playing Ondine that exists only in my head!


I too would love to hear him play Ondine. The piece has been my obsession for years and I've tried to listen to every recording under the sun, and I'm very picky with it; I only find a handful of performances to be "definitive." Many of my favorites are not played by the usual suspects either.

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This sounds nothing like Horowitz, IMHO. As broken as he was in 1983 (Japan), the tendencies were still recognizably Horowitz.

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....plus, if he had really played Scarbo any time in the last 50 years, it wouldn't be unknown to us.

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....plus, if he had really played Scarbo any time in the last 50 years, it wouldn't be unknown to us.


Especially in the last 25 years or so. grin
But, as I wrote before, that recording comes from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4vfZ6WE5oU

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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"it"..."could be a live performance." smile


But then we wouldn't be able to listen to it would we?


Precisely, it's a recording because we can download and listen to it on the internet.

It could be a recording of a live performance...that's normally what is meant by the phrase...


Don't be so pedantic. My comments were about the music I was hearing, not the occasion of the "recording".

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Originally Posted by didyougethathing
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Horowitz or not, it sounds a tad messy.

The recording is allegedly from the 1970s, a time during which messiness was moreso than usual a part of Horowitz's trademark sound. There's a lot in this recording that is obviously Horowitzian - the dryness of the fast passages, the attack of the low bass octaves, etc.

I know he programmed this particular piece a lot in his younger days. Now if we could only hear him playing the first two movements - I'm already in love with the imaginary recording of Horowitz playing Ondine that exists only in my head!


I too would love to hear him play Ondine. The piece has been my obsession for years and I've tried to listen to every recording under the sun, and I'm very picky with it; I only find a handful of performances to be "definitive." Many of my favorites are not played by the usual suspects either.


Haha, likewise! And since my own command of the piece has improved, I find that my taste in performances has changed too. I certainly heard Ondine differently before I could play it and became intimately acquainted with the score.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
....plus, if he had really played Scarbo any time in the last 50 years, it wouldn't be unknown to us.


The recording supposedly comes from the extensive vaults of Horowitz recordings at Yale, and who knows what else is locked away in there. It doesn't sound like a really professional/properly mastered recording, most likely it was informal. According to this website, the last time he played Scarbo in public was in 1940, but perhaps in the 70s he was considering bringing it back into his concert rep, practiced it and decided not to play it for some reason, and this recording is from a rehearsal of some sort.

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Originally Posted by vlhorowitz
This sounds nothing like Horowitz, IMHO. As broken as he was in 1983 (Japan), the tendencies were still recognizably Horowitz.


I'd say this sounds pretty distinctively like Horowitz - it's in the dryness of the middle and upper register and the booming/clanging of the low registers - listen at around 2:48, only Horowitz could play that low octave like that. The climax around 4:40 has Horowitz written all over it. If it really were a fake, whoever faked it did a damn good job of studying and imitating Horowitz's tendencies.

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