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#2073956 - 04/30/13 06:33 AM Beethoven Op.111 mov-1
MiaoW Offline
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Registered: 02/22/12
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Loc: Sichuan, China
Place: Study

I'll record te 2nd movement later...hope you like this, and you're more than welcome to criticise.


#2075175 - 05/01/13 05:43 PM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
hujidong Offline
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I love the drama!

Do you feel like that the epic chords with the arpeggios flying up to them in the beginning connect to the next crashing octave jumping chord in the beginning? It sounds a little disconnected, and you could really deliver the whole introduction as one giant overarching idea which draws away until the introduction of the fateful theme.

Same with the chords that come before the introduction dashes out. They can be distant separate chimes that spook in through the ominous trill in the left hand, however the idea of unity needs to remain present, that they are all working together towards a goal: the introduction of the theme and what that introduction will go into.

For the frantic virtuosic passages it sounds like you should look into finding maybe three or four note phrases within the larger passages. It sounds a little like flair on the side, which it can be, but the individual phrases deserve their respect and musical direction. This sonata contains so much beauty from every voice contributing.

With the rests and half note chords that slow down the pace of the piece, you have to really focus on the unity of the piece to not let the tension die. If everything is not leading toward something then where is it leading? You don't have to be obvious about where you are leading, but you need to know, so you can prepare yourself for it.

For the 'spooky' intro of the motif you had really nice polyphony. You can play with releases more to find a firmer touch that could be spooky...and also ominous! It doesn't take a quick attack to create suspense.

For the area right after that with the crazy jump with the two hands, you were super accurate. Try and connect the music and get through the technical block in your head. You wouldn't want a disjunct in the music at such a transparent spot!! Focused slow practice, (smaller and finer motions are more difficult to control than quick jerks! I like the idea of practice being for the mastery of keyboard skills to obtain the technique necessary for speaking the language of music. It is the small accents and glottal stops and pace that separates a fluent speaker of any language from a learner. Getting back on topic, I've been doing this thing that I feel has helped me improve a lot. So with the octave jump you can push down on the first octave, then try to relax as much as possible without letting the key back up any (like trying the find the threshold of strength necessary to keep the key down:efficiency of energy and movement!),and then slowly letting go of the octave while feeling control over every tiny motion that is necessary. It is to think of the movement as starting from the release onto the push of the other key. Then chain that to the next key movement, and put it all together into one work. You could try putting as much music as you can into the trill, repetitive intervals are one of the toughest mini-phrases for me to try and commit myself to. Keep that control and focus as you move slowly down an octave to hit the next chord. Then your hands will start adjusting to be knowledgeable of the keyboard, and though I hate to say it, every piece becomes a crazy technique practice, but it is all for the greater good of the music! You could try some of those out and see if they help, I really like them.

Try to think as small as you can, as if the music was one molecule, and you want to understand the working of every atom, and within that you want to understand the protons, electrons, and neutrons. And the organism is classical music! Behold! Hahaha!

Edited by hujidong (05/01/13 09:40 PM)

#2075297 - 05/01/13 10:03 PM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
Polyphonist Offline
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You could take that atom analogy pretty far. Good invention. grin

Quark=note, proton/neutron/electron=phrase, atom=section, molecule=piece? ha


#2075340 - 05/01/13 11:16 PM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
hujidong Offline
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Loc: Hawaii
Thanks for writing it all out <3

#2075622 - 05/02/13 04:07 AM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: hujidong]
MiaoW Offline
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Registered: 02/22/12
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Loc: Sichuan, China
Originally Posted By: hujidong
I love the drama!

Do you feel ...

Thank you very much, hujidong.

Your criticism and practise method are meaningful.

And your metaphor is intersting.

Welcome to the forum!

Edited by MiaoW (05/02/13 04:07 AM)

#2075756 - 05/02/13 09:55 AM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
hujidong Offline
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Thank you smile
This is a fun community and I am looking forward to meeting all of you!

#2076274 - 05/02/13 11:10 PM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
Kuanpiano Offline
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Loc: Canada
I liked this very much!! I think you do a good job with it.

One part that I think can use some fixing (or just my opinion)is the first page. The chords sound disconnected and don't really "punctuate the silence" in such a convincing manner. I'm sure it'll work out in a room with good acoustics, but I think if you have that sorted out you'll be alright in general.

Thanks a lot for posting!
Working on:
Chopin - Andante Spianato and Grande Polonaise Brillante
Rachmaninoff - Preludes op. 23 nos. 3,4,6, op. 32 no.12
Franck - Violin Sonata

#2076293 - 05/02/13 11:22 PM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: Kuanpiano]
MiaoW Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
I liked this very much!! ...

Yep. The chords sounds shorter than they really were because of the recording device I think, and the range of dynamics is decreased.

#2076312 - 05/02/13 11:37 PM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
Kuanpiano Offline
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Registered: 05/06/10
Posts: 2151
Loc: Canada
Ahaha, which is better than my crappy, echo-y recordings. Can't wait for the second movement.
Working on:
Chopin - Andante Spianato and Grande Polonaise Brillante
Rachmaninoff - Preludes op. 23 nos. 3,4,6, op. 32 no.12
Franck - Violin Sonata

#2078090 - 05/06/13 03:00 AM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
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Loc: Philadelphia
Thank you very much for posting this. smile

I must admit, prior to listening to your recording, I've only heard this sonata performed once.. by Evgeny Kissin three days ago. So, my knowledge of it is limited.

I really only have two comments that I think would really shape this up into a dynamite performance. The first is to watch your verticals. What I mean by that is, notes that should be played together, should be played together. In some places, I think a little unevenness caused some separation.

The second comment is to let the rests rest. Lose the pedal. Otherwise the sound lingers on into the rest and it isn't silent. I think this is something Kissin did in stark contrast to your performance, and I think it worked very well. He belabored the silence by a hair, now that I have a score in front of me, but it certainly worked. (This is really an interpretive thing, though.. so obviously mess around with it and find a "tolerance" you like.)

Thanks again. I really enjoyed the listen. smile
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#2078246 - 05/06/13 10:55 AM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
Hakki Offline
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Registered: 05/26/01
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Very good !
I really enjoyed listening to it.

My only criticism is that at places where there are runs of 16th notes there is a feeling of insecurity and that you are rushing. You might not be rushing and playing securely, but it sounds like that.

That Kawai sounds awesome and contributes to your playing as well.
Thanks for sharing.
Put in one of IMO, I think, to me, for me... or similar to all sentences I post


#2080662 - 05/11/13 08:27 AM Re: Beethoven Op.111 mov-1 [Re: MiaoW]
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You are excellent pianist!! I know how hard it is at some places. Your playing is so clean! Keep up the good work!
"If you want to understand the music, you don't even need ears as much as heart"


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