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#2076307 - 05/02/13 11:31 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I'm insinuating an insinuation.

(What does that mean? grin)
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#2076311 - 05/02/13 11:37 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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That you started it :P

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#2076543 - 05/03/13 10:12 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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How about if you two take this personal back and forth to PM's?
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#2076708 - 05/03/13 02:54 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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The intention was not to insult each other, we're just having fun. I'll stop now. grin
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#2076776 - 05/03/13 05:30 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Thank you.

I'll stop too.

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#2076805 - 05/03/13 06:27 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I've been researching some history here...and I have another question: why is this poster not banned yet?

Maybe because us a few of us (myself and 2 or 3 other twisted souls) find him hilarious? blush (OK, that's probably not the reason.)

My question to you, Polyphonist, would be: why ban him? He insults no one, yet he receives every form of insult and ridicule imaginable. He costs PW nothing because he seldom writes, and his recordings are stored at Box. He wastes no one's time because his threads, like all other threads, are mouse-selectable. So any time wasted is purely voluntary. So what's the harm?

Some might say that BachMach2 is an acquired taste, but he's not. He's an immediate taste. It only took you 20 seconds of listening to suggest banning him, and you're not alone. The first PW critique of his first recording (by liszt85) was: "The recording sucked as did the playing." Despite the heavy nuance of this comment, I think I caught the drift.

So if his very presence in this hallowed forum offends you, then by all means, seek a ban. Until then, I will continue to enjoy his "shtick". But could you just give me a "heads up", so I can accelerate my listening? I'm only up to Beethoven No. 11. laugh

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#2076807 - 05/03/13 06:45 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
So any time wasted is purely voluntary.


You've hit the nail on the head !!!!!! thumb
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#2076818 - 05/03/13 07:28 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
[...] "The recording sucked as did the playing." Despite the heavy nuance of this comment [...]


LOL!!! Old Man hit the nail on the head twice in one post, with his own degree of nuance!

Originally Posted By: Old Man
[...] So if his very presence in this hallowed forum offends you, then by all means, seek a ban. Until then, I will continue to enjoy his "shtick". But could you just give me a "heads up", so I can accelerate my listening? I'm only up to Beethoven No. 11. laugh


And since BachMach2 has said that, given enough time, he will play through everything, we have a lot to look forward to. Go BachMach!!! thumb


Edited by Cinnamonbear (05/03/13 07:29 PM)
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#2076826 - 05/03/13 07:52 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
....why ban him? He insults no one, yet he receives every form of insult and ridicule imaginable. He costs PW nothing because he seldom writes, and his recordings are stored at Box. He wastes no one's time because his threads, like all other threads, are mouse-selectable. So any time wasted is purely voluntary. So what's the harm?....

Looks like you have a pleasantly blind spot. grin

It's fraudulent.

For those of us who know what's going on, what you said is true. But people who don't (yet) know what he's doing, which is pretty much anyone who's fairly new here, DO have their time wasted. (Likewise people who aren't new who just don't buy what he's doing, but that's their problem.) ha

Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Old Man
So any time wasted is purely voluntary.


You've hit the nail on the head !!!!!! thumb

See above. grin
You're having the the same blind spot.

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#2076836 - 05/03/13 08:13 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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What in the world is going on with the whole bachmach2 thing. Good lord.

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#2076839 - 05/03/13 08:17 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Mark -

ha Of course !!!!

But once those folks realize what's going on, the time wasted is indeed purely voluntary !! grin
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#2076863 - 05/03/13 08:53 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Mark -

ha Of course !!!!

But once those folks realize what's going on, the time wasted is indeed purely voluntary !! grin


Indeed! And it doesn't take long to realize what is going on. smokin ha If people really ignored him he would probably stop, but he keeps getting a lot of attention, so he keeps having fun. tiki
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#2076866 - 05/03/13 08:58 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

Looks like you have a pleasantly blind spot. grin


Looks like you enjoy wasting your time.
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#2076893 - 05/03/13 10:34 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: ChopinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ChopinAddict
Indeed! And it doesn't take long to realize what is going on..... smokin ha

One might think so grin but, it took our "brain trust," our entire brain trust (such as there was) working together, utilizing all their brainpower (such as there was), about a month. ha

What I'm caring about is new members. As we've seen, they usually don't know for a while (how could they?), and waste time meanwhile.

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#2077019 - 05/04/13 06:24 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Wow! Someone might waste 5 minutes of their time! Must be some very busy and highly important person. What a tragedy!

The idea that someone's time is so valuable and important that losing a few minutes is a problem is beyond ridiculous and full of self importance.


Edited by pianoloverus (05/04/13 07:02 AM)

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#2077058 - 05/04/13 08:46 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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I didn't bother wasting 5 minutes of my time, but I did waste a whole 20 seconds after turning down the volume on my computer wasn't enough to make it bearable to listen to. Now I want my 20 seconds back (and my sanity). Seriously, this guy can play well enough to mock the music, but I doubt I'll be listening to any more smirk
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#2077090 - 05/04/13 10:00 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C

What I'm caring about is new members. As we've seen, they usually don't know for a while (how could they?), and waste time meanwhile.


But it seems, mostly, that you care that they think what you want them to think, as you waste more time in BM2 threads than anyone else.
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#2077103 - 05/04/13 10:32 AM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Old Man
....why ban him? He insults no one, yet he receives every form of insult and ridicule imaginable. He costs PW nothing because he seldom writes, and his recordings are stored at Box. He wastes no one's time because his threads, like all other threads, are mouse-selectable. So any time wasted is purely voluntary. So what's the harm?....

Looks like you have a pleasantly blind spot. grin
It's fraudulent.

For those of us who know what's going on, what you said is true. But people who don't (yet) know what he's doing, which is pretty much anyone who's fairly new here, DO have their time wasted. (Likewise people who aren't new who just don't buy what he's doing, but that's their problem.) ha

Mark, I think it may be you who has the blind spot. grin

Are you saying that among all the many thousands of threads on this forum, only BachMach2's contributions are a waste of time? All the rest are transcendental experiences, posts of great depth and profound insight? Speaking for myself, I've wasted plenty of time perusing threads that I found boring, silly, or simply "above my pay grade", so I could easily make the same claim. But since I control the mouse that sits on my desk, I don't feel that I need a protector.

Originally Posted By: MarkC
It's fraudulent.

Fraudulent? Isn't "fraud" a legal term? Wikipedia says fraud is "intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual." What has BachMach "gained", beyond a few chuckles? And what damage has been inflicted upon the rest of us?

Here's a quick summary of BachMach's crimes, as I see it:

1. He posted an introductory essay ("What it 'means' to be a pianist"), an incoherent assemblage of non-sequiturs that I personally found hilarious, despite the fact I didn't understand a word of it.
2. He posts technically poor recordings of equally poor piano playing, which he prefaces with semi-delusional descriptions of their value.
3. He occasionally posts critiques of others' performances, which are also incoherent, but are never rude or strident.

Basically he confines himself to Members Recordings, he never forces himself on us, and his posts are clearly labeled. I think those few newbies who happen upon his threads will survive the experience without significant mental trauma.

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#2077129 - 05/04/13 12:00 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
[blah blah blah] ha


A lot of people (a whole lot) have only learned of what's going on because of such posts, and had kept wasting their time on these recordings till then. If you consider this a waste, fine. Because you're wrong. smile

Originally Posted By: Old Man
....his posts are clearly labeled....

Not at all for what they are.

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#2077157 - 05/04/13 01:19 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Mark_C

What I'm caring about is new members. As we've seen, they usually don't know for a while (how could they?), and waste time meanwhile.


But it seems, mostly, that you care that they think what you want them to think, as you waste more time in BM2 threads than anyone else.
Exactly.

The whole idea that wasting a few minutes is something serious is ludicrous. The person who "wasted a few minutes" would have to be incredibly self rightoeus and self important to feel someone had committed some "fraudulunt" act if they fell for BM2's completely obvious and simple joke.

An absurd example of making something out of nothing.

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#2077159 - 05/04/13 01:22 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
....BM2's completely obvious and simple joke....

Stupefyingly false. smile

We all didn't figure it out for a while, and some people even now don't agree that that's what it is.

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#2077161 - 05/04/13 01:23 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: MarkC
It's fraudulent.

Fraudulent? Isn't "fraud" a legal term? Wikipedia says fraud is "intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual." What has BachMach "gained", beyond a few chuckles? And what damage has been inflicted upon the rest of us?
If someone feels self important enough they can apparently feel that 5 minutes of their time is incredibly valuable.


Edited by pianoloverus (05/04/13 03:32 PM)

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#2077202 - 05/04/13 03:10 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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If their time was so valuable, then why would they be on a forum on the Internet anyway?
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#2077205 - 05/04/13 03:14 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Because this forum is an incredible community of loveable people? laugh

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#2077221 - 05/04/13 03:36 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
....BM2's completely obvious and simple joke....

Stupefyingly false. smile

We all didn't figure it out for a while, and some people even now don't agree that that's what it is.

I guess some of us are just slower than others? grin Only took Polyphonist 20 seconds.

But I'm a bit slow myself. Heck, it took me over a year to realize that pianoloverus really does have a sense of humor! laugh

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#2077225 - 05/04/13 03:41 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Only took Polyphonist 20 seconds.

Well, sort of. It was a guess. But it was an informed guess. grin
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#2077227 - 05/04/13 03:41 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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Listening to the recording was very informative, for me. I found out all about the poster in 20 seconds.
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#2077235 - 05/04/13 03:54 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Listening to the recording was very informative, for me. I found out all about the poster in 20 seconds.


Aren't you devastated that you can't get that time back? Or this time?
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#2077392 - 05/04/13 09:40 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: BachMach2]
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This is the first of his recordings I've listened to. Oddly, I kept thinking of David Helfgott.

Whoever it is, it is hard for me to imagine that a mere prankster could play this role over a long period with such consistency and dedication, or would even have the motivation. Given that there is some ambiguity about exactly what is going on, I think I won't assume that it's all a joke. You know - just in case it isn't.

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#2077406 - 05/04/13 10:17 PM Re: Chopin Andante Spianato & Grand Polonaise Brilliante [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
....Given that there is some ambiguity about exactly what is going on....

Some folks think there isn't.

(See?) grin

I mean, I don't think there is either. But anyone who thinks everyone can easily tell, just look here with your eyes open. smile
Not to mention countless other threads.

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