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#2076850 - 05/03/13 08:41 PM Conover 9 ft 4 in. concert grand from 1910
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I am the owner of a huge Conover (Cable) concert grand. It has a white oak rim, two lid props and a very wide toe end. The bottom A0 is incredibly clean fundamental. It was used first by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, then sold to a church south of there, then I bought it. Does anyone know of this model, history, success in rebuilding, other owners? It has a model 100 cast in the plate. It looks like a Mason & Hamlin from that era, especially the double lid props. Thanks.


Edited by Davepost (05/11/13 08:19 AM)
Edit Reason: Size correction
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#2076857 - 05/03/13 08:50 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Cable owned Mason & Hamlin for a while, so it could be a very similar design. Mason & Hamlin concert grands seemed to vary a lot, anyway.
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#2076861 - 05/03/13 08:52 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: BDB]
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It is the same number of bass strings as the CC1 Mason.
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#2076865 - 05/03/13 08:55 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Lots of concert grands had the same number of bass strings. Even now, Yamaha has the same number as Steinway.

Post some pictures.
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#2076886 - 05/03/13 09:57 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Conover was made by the Cable Company which was originally known as the Conover Cable Piano Company.

AFAIK never affiliated with M&H. Later, Samick attached the name (but not the quality) to pianos made in Indonesia.

A nice quality piano and capable of being a top tier rebuild that would rival anything out there.

However, because it doesn't have the right name, relatively low market value.
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#2076944 - 05/04/13 12:45 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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The relationship between the Cable Company and Mason & Hamlin is documented in the Wikipedia article about the latter company. I agree that the market value would be low, but it could be a magnificent piano properly restored.

Does it have a tension resonator system? Conover Cable called their version Crownstay. It appears as rods and turnbuckles across the frame under the soundboard.
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#2076961 - 05/04/13 01:54 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Old Conover pianos were excellent.
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#2077075 - 05/04/13 09:37 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Here's an interesting article talking about the Cable / Mason & Hamlin deal, and the people involved.

http://mtr.arcade-museum.com/MTR-1904-38-8/MTR-1904-38-8-23.pdf
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#2077085 - 05/04/13 09:51 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
The relationship between the Cable Company and Mason & Hamlin is documented in the Wikipedia article about the latter company. I agree that the market value would be low, but it could be a magnificent piano properly restored.

Does it have a tension resonator system? Conover Cable called their version Crownstay. It appears as rods and turnbuckles across the frame under the soundboard.



"Owned an interest" in M&H doesn't necessarily mean very much in terms of technical cross-pollination -- although apparently that is the route by which Aeolian acquired M&H along with Conover Cable and others.

Pierce's Piano Atlas doesn't seem to mention this connection at all. Interesting.
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#2077131 - 05/04/13 12:01 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Eric Gloo]
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Many thanks. The Cable Co. Office was one block of the Chicago Symphony on the same Street. No wonder the CSO used one of their pianos.
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David Postma, Associate Member, PTG Lansing, Michigan Chapter. www.davepostma.com Conover 9 ft. 4" (Mason & Hamlin CC-1)

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#2077360 - 05/04/13 07:44 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Please post some pictures. smile
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#2077418 - 05/04/13 11:10 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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I've got a Cable (not Conover) from the 20's and it's built like a brick shipyard. It's got a remarkably clear sound, especially for being only 5 feet. I'd love to see what it's bigger cousin looks like. Of course it's also got the Crownstay system with the rods and turnbuckle and stuff, I guess it works because the crown is still there.

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#2077512 - 05/05/13 06:37 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Yes, please post some pictures of this piano. The Conover was a fine piano. We rebuilt a 7 ft. + from about the same time period and the final product was beautiful.

Caviat that bears repeating - *This is not a piano to consider putting lots of money into for resale.*
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#2077526 - 05/05/13 07:31 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: James Scott]
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I have also a 5 ft 5 Conover from 1927. Half done, but same deal -- built well, still has crown. I will post some photos once I learn how. The 9 ft 3 in has the action rebuilt, restrung and new pin block a number of years ago. Still sounds great, but to raise it to the level of quality it deserves, it is going in to James Reeder in Lansing, MI for a new soundboard and bridges. Who knows but the Chicago Symphony Orchestra may want it back.
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#2077529 - 05/05/13 07:37 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Rich Galassini]
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This piano is for me and my wife. Not a business venture, but for pursuit of beauty. I am in pursuit of wonderful sound. I think this Conover will be incredibly satisfying. I will probably loan it to the area NPR radio station which I work for for recordings. Let everyone enjoy.
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David Postma, Associate Member, PTG Lansing, Michigan Chapter. www.davepostma.com Conover 9 ft. 4" (Mason & Hamlin CC-1)

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#2080658 - 05/11/13 08:18 AM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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The Conover is leaving my home and headed to a rebuilder for a new s board, bridge caps, re gilding, rescaling and restringing. Some contributors have seen and appreciated the smaller sizes, but has anyone ever seen this big one? It actually measures 9 ft 3 3/4 inches. A nine foot four!

I have been invited by the Chicago Symphony archivist to peruse the archives for a photo as it was used years ago by the orchestra. Should be fun.
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#2080862 - 05/11/13 01:51 PM Re: Conover 9 ft 3 inch concert grand from 1910 [Re: Davepost]
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Originally Posted By: Davepost
The Conover is leaving my home and headed to a rebuilder for a new s board, bridge caps, re gilding, rescaling and restringing. Some contributors have seen and appreciated the smaller sizes, but has anyone ever seen this big one? It actually measures 9 ft 3 3/4 inches. A nine foot four!

I have been invited by the Chicago Symphony archivist to peruse the archives for a photo as it was used years ago by the orchestra. Should be fun.


I've seen a few of the model 77s but not a concert grand. Should be most impressive, when rebuilt!
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