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#2074495 - 04/30/13 08:27 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Rickster]
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As for me, well, I just keep on playing my piano(s) the way I want to and keep on smiling… in fact, I wrote a song entitled “Play it like you want to”. smile


So when are we going to hear it?

:::tosses back hair, arms crossed, tapping foot::: grin
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#2074501 - 04/30/13 08:49 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Peyton]
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Originally Posted By: Peyton
Originally Posted By: earlofmar
This incident is further indication of how committed and serious people take their piano playing and their involvement in the forum. I can well understand your hurt dire tonic but also understand another's suspicion of wrong doing and probably felt a duty to say something.

I applaud your rebuff dire tonic (use of the clock in your video is masterful) but for the sake of the forum it would be best to put this to bed asap.


+1 At least the person in question PM'd and did not post his accusations on the forum. Of course if he had he would be eating some serious crow right about now.

Wouldn't that have been a good thing? laugh
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#2074504 - 04/30/13 08:53 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Ragdoll]
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Originally Posted By: Ragdoll
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As for me, well, I just keep on playing my piano(s) the way I want to and keep on smiling… in fact, I wrote a song entitled “Play it like you want to”. smile


So when are we going to hear it?

:::tosses back hair, arms crossed, tapping foot::: grin


Rick is too modest to toot his own horn. Here's the video:

Play it Like You Want to

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#2074519 - 04/30/13 09:14 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Sam S]
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Rick = rockstar!

That was awesome! Enjoyed that very much. Thanks for tooting his horn Sam smile

Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: Ragdoll
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As for me, well, I just keep on playing my piano(s) the way I want to and keep on smiling… in fact, I wrote a song entitled “Play it like you want to”. smile


So when are we going to hear it?

:::tosses back hair, arms crossed, tapping foot::: grin


Rick is too modest to toot his own horn. Here's the video:

Play it Like You Want to

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#2074534 - 04/30/13 09:47 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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dire,

I don't know you, I don't really frequent the ABF too much, but this "case" got me interested...

Based on what I saw on the youtube video you posted here, I think that the video, due to the quality looks choppy and speed altered... This is not to say that it IS so, but that it LOOKS so, because of the frame rate, etc... So I don't think it's insane that someone thought there was something going on.

But this is where everything ends: Accusing someone of cheating in an e-recital, and doing so in a mod is silly, to say the least and rather nasty. Personally I would've approached you in person through a PM and see if I can sort out what's going on, without such certainty...

In any case best of luck and don't worry about the various nasty people that can be found everywhere: They indeed can be found everywhere, and can be ignored! wink
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#2074536 - 04/30/13 09:54 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Nikolas]
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This sort of thing makes me plucking up the courage to ever submit something myself all the more harder frown

I play a couple of online games, characters that can sneak around invisible, my character names all have sneak in them such as Sneakaboo and I'm known as Sneak when chatting online.

So reading this and the culprit being referred to by my gamer name makes it all the worse smile

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#2074588 - 04/30/13 11:23 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Dire Tonic, I suggest that you consider the source which criticized you, and then discount it.

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#2074640 - 05/01/13 12:20 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: newest student]
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Dire Tonic,

Try not to let this kind of thing get to you. I know that's easier said than done, but consider what Morodiene said: neither prizes, nor bragging rights are associated with any of the PW recitals. A person who engages in this kind of accusation (and certainly one who goes to a third person of perceived 'authority' to do it) is can probably be dismissed as someone who just had a little too much time on their hands.

If you say you didn't speed up the video, then I believe you. I see no reason for you to lie about that. But even if you did lie about it, and did speed up the video, I wouldn't care. No prize money, no bragging rights. You can do whatever the heck you want, as far as I'm concerned.
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#2074711 - 05/01/13 03:44 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Thanks a lot, everyone, for your generous support , pertinent messages and plenty of laughs – the thread needed some light-heartedness. My face is still smarting from Derulux’s glove.

On the downside, I now feel like a rabid attention seeker – but that’s decidedly better than being made to feel like a cheat.

Let the work commence!

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#2074719 - 05/01/13 03:58 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Ojustaboo]
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"This sort of thing makes me plucking up the courage to ever submit something myself all the more harder frown"

Get on wi it man! We want to hear ya. . . . grin
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#2074750 - 05/01/13 05:21 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Originally Posted By: Ojustaboo
This sort of thing makes me plucking up the courage to ever submit something myself all the more harder frown

I play a couple of online games, characters that can sneak around invisible, my character names all have sneak in them such as Sneakaboo and I'm known as Sneak when chatting online.

So reading this and the culprit being referred to by my gamer name makes it all the worse smile


Don't tell me, you play a Rogue in Wow?

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#2074772 - 05/01/13 06:41 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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I just thought I would post this video Of the Rickster for those that havent yet seen it.
On another thread that was about Adult beginners VS beginners and beyond I believe someone joked that Rickster should be thrown off for being Too GOOD!!!

Before anyone claims "cheat" on Ricksters eyebrows, he is certainly not cheating, the video is clearly OVER exposed and it is this that is making Ricksters eyebrows seem so , well, (sorry Rickster) : startling!



Nikolas: Thank you for coming over from PC where your opinions and skills as a musician/composer are so well respected to weigh in here with your thoughts.

I would like to mention to you that I said the same to the person that Pmed me: vis a vis that on less than adequate camcorders/phones/etc often the frame rate is poor to say the least.
I went on to say that I know of many videos both here on PW and on youtube/ the internet that I know for a certainty are absolutely genuine, yet these videos dont capture the hands and finger movements to such an extent that in some cases the fingers arent even where they are meant to be for the notes that are sounding.

This wasnt the case in Dire tonics video, but I cited this point to illustrate that discrepencies do appear in genuine recordings none the less.

I believed this would give the person an acceptable "out" as I think it is always best to do that, rather than back someone into a corner with no "out" other than kicking and screaming, which I wanted to avoid.

I got a PM back that disagreed with this .

A lot of folk who played in the mendelssohn recital were attempting pieces well out of their "comfort zone" and further to the musical difficulties that had to be overcome and the steep learning curve, there were also folk who had never uploaded a video to the internet, and therefore had to learn about and then overcome technical difficulties.

For the senior amongst us, that is never easy, to some windows movie maker itself was a monster that had to be defeated, and this after the stress of getting a "reasonable" recording with less than studio quality equipment.

To call "foul" unjustly after all the time and trouble , grief and in some cases trauma that a performer has gone through to share their contribution for the enjoyment and listening pleasure of the group as a whole , is, in my totally serious opinion; both hurtful and spurious.

Dire tonic is not just a name on a forum, he is a human being with feelings, hopes, aspirations and dreams,and had worked very hard on his pieces, (just like everyone else had), and this accusation was just not cricket as we say here in the UK.

I hope that the overwhelming and justified show of support given here by all other members will go a long way to helping Dire tonic throw off these feelings of hurt,sadness, and dismay and encourage him to continue contributing pieces for our enjoyment and listening pleasure.

May that be and end of it.



Edited by Rostosky (05/01/13 06:42 AM)
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#2074836 - 05/01/13 08:41 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Rostosky and everyone: I seriously hope that my posts didn't come off as insulting to dire! My point was that "S" saw something and thought something that wasn't unreasonable, due to the image quality and low frame rate.

Other than that everything else that "S" did was unacceptable by me! smile

But exactly as you say, "S" could've gotten out of this, yet (s)he feels that (s)he's right. He can believe what he wants, but now with a clock to prove it... bah... to herim! grin

DIRE: Directly to you: Despite of what has happened and even despite the support that you got, think of it this way: Your music playing was SO GOOD that you got accused that you cheated! HA to everyone! "S" thinks that your video and your music is too good! Great then!

As a professional and a rather public figure (definitely not well known, but in any case quite vocal) I think that I get flamed a few times (thankfully not too frequently). Especially for my music, my performance, etc. I've decided that I can't please everyone and eventually (and to a great extent) even if I touch ONE SINGLE PERSON with my music then perhaps my job is done correctly! It's the rest who are at loss here!

So same with you! smile Cheer up, record more stuff and enjoy the music! It's all about love, life, cherish what you're doing and Mendelssohn (in this case)!
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#2074846 - 05/01/13 08:55 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas

As a professional and a rather public figure (definitely not well known, but in any case quite vocal) I think that I get flamed a few times (thankfully not too frequently). Especially for my music, my performance, etc. I've decided that I can't please everyone and eventually (and to a great extent) even if I touch ONE SINGLE PERSON with my music then perhaps my job is done correctly! It's the rest who are at loss here!
This is really the key to being a musician. In a way, we have to be thick-skinned. Even the best musicians of all time got horribly criticized. *They* aren't the people you are doing this for.


Edited by Morodiene (05/01/13 08:56 AM)
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#2074869 - 05/01/13 09:40 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Rostosky and everyone: I seriously hope that my posts didn't come off as insulting to dire! My point was that "S" saw something and thought something that wasn't unreasonable, due to the image quality and low frame rate.


Of course your post didnt come accross as insulting Nikolas, I understood it and understood the spirit in which it was said.
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#2074874 - 05/01/13 09:46 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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With online gaming, to be called a cheater by another player is kind of like a compliment. You play so well that someone thinks the only logical explanation is that you cheated. I'd take the compliment and move on.
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#2074913 - 05/01/13 10:22 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Rostosky and everyone: I seriously hope that my posts didn't come off as insulting to dire!


Not at all Nikolas, on the contrary, I completely agree with you. It’s perfectly understandable that S’s suspicions were aroused. What followed from that was unfortunate.

The matter should be allowed to rest.

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#2074951 - 05/01/13 11:08 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Rostosky and everyone: I seriously hope that my posts didn't come off as insulting to dire!


Not at all Nikolas, on the contrary, I completely agree with you. It’s perfectly understandable that S’s suspicions were aroused. What followed from that was unfortunate.

The matter should be allowed to rest.


If you want to close the discussion, you could notify the moderators and ask them to close the thread.
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#2074955 - 05/01/13 11:16 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly

If you want to close the discussion, you could notify the moderators and ask them to close the thread.



Cheryl, I expect it will just expire soon anyway... no problem..

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#2074971 - 05/01/13 11:38 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Originally Posted By: casinitaly

If you want to close the discussion, you could notify the moderators and ask them to close the thread.



Cheryl, I expect it will just expire soon anyway... no problem..

...if people stop posting. Doh! I'm part of the problem!! whistle
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#2076870 - 05/03/13 09:04 PM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Ok the thread is now closed.
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#2078052 - 05/06/13 01:52 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
The charge is that I recorded my piece using midi and that I sped up the result artificially by 30%.


I think that their brain is just 30% slow. Especially in regards to how I spend my time on the internet, I live by the following mantra: "If it doesn't make you money and/or it doesn't make you happy, don't do it. Life's too short."

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#2078111 - 05/06/13 04:18 AM Re: I've been accused of cheating...... [Re: ElleC]
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Originally Posted By: ElleC
... I don't have to justify myself to anyone who's already made up their mind about me. ...


Absolutely true. To thine own self be true. It doesn't matter what someone else 'thinks' if it is something you 'know'.
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