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#2077228 - 05/04/13 03:42 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: zrtf90]
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Richard that is the first I have came across that system. I learned tea , coffee, coca-cola, but I prefer yours. I think my 5 year old would like that one too. Although I might substitute banana for apricot. Do you have something to use for minims and semibreves ?
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#2077230 - 05/04/13 03:47 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: Dulcetta]
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Originally Posted By: Dulcetta
I might substitute banana for apricot.

Apricot is better because the accent is on the first syllable, rather than banana which has it on the second. Tangerine and cucumber would also be good ones. Zucchini would not, for the same reason. smile
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#2077231 - 05/04/13 03:49 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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Right now I'm trying to sing the melody of Chopin's 25/2 using the apricot (or tangerine, or cucumber, or banana, or zucchini) method. I haven't been successful so far. ha
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#2077243 - 05/04/13 04:13 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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Originally Posted By: Dulcetta
Do you have something to use for minims and semibreves ?
Last time I played my scales in semibreves I fell asleep before I got to the end laugh

No, I don't. I tend to just lengthen plum or use another more suitable word when the occasion demands it but I try to use a word that takes longer to say such screech - no reference to anyone singing Chopin!

Cucumber can be used as a tribrach, three equal syllables, and is excellent for scales so thank you for that, Polyphonist. Apricot is a dactyl, having the accent on the first syllable.

Singing the note is excellent practise and great aural training. If you practise your scale playing on headphones it can also be embarrassing, as can trying to cover four octaves. smile
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#2077251 - 05/04/13 04:23 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: Polyphonist]
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Cucumber is good yes.
However I'm from Lanarkshire in Scotland, our accent is most definitely on the Ba in banana.
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#2077413 - 05/04/13 10:57 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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Thank you very much to everyone for all your very thoughtful and helpful suggestions. I will study your posts and try to put all this good information to use.

Anne
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#2078203 - 05/06/13 09:26 AM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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zrtf90,

How would you word this? Something with 6 syllables, or?

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#2078266 - 05/06/13 11:25 AM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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Originally Posted By: raikKU
How would you word this? Something with 6 syllables, or?
No, three or two depending on whether I'd include the LH on beat 1.

Without the surrounding phrase it's difficult to see which is the best solution.

What's the whole phrase?

The idea is to use a syllable on every note using the natural rhythm of speech instead of counting. The common phrase for four vs. three polyrhythms is:

'pass the gol-den but-ter'

When its the less common three against four a better phrase might be:

'pass me the but-ter knife'

Try saying this to tune of Silent Night to get a better idea:

Sleep before dawn
Wait for the morn
Hush, my dear!
Look! It's here.

D'you get the idea?


In your example there's a choice here of using the LH chord as part of the wording in which case I'd use a trochee on beat 1 or skip beat one in the wording and use an iamb for the RH.

Either 'Go-ing home' or just 'Before' might be suitable.
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#2078273 - 05/06/13 11:40 AM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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The problem I have with the use of words like that is that there's nothing to help you hold "home" for the right amount of time. My natural way of saying "going home" has "home" take just one beat. To be able to feel and hold it for two beats, I have to have some implicit counting or sense of time already. The words can't give that to me.

ETA: also, this word method could be confusing for singers, who already have words to go with their notes, and sometimes the challenge is to work out the timing of the notes which is different from the rhythm one might use when simply saying the words.


Edited by PianoStudent88 (05/06/13 11:43 AM)
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#2078311 - 05/06/13 01:10 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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That's one of the problems of using a snippet instead of a whole phrase and words and phrases that I know instead of words and phrases that you know.

This does not exclude using a metronome or a foot for the beats either. It's just easier than counting every tick whether a note should be sounded or not.

Nor is it a panacea. It's just another tool in the box.

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#2082602 - 05/14/13 06:17 PM Re: Scales Bootcamp [Re: ShiroKuro]
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My copy arrived in uk today.

Will start working through it tomorrow...

Has anyone completed this i wonder... what a mountain to climb!
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