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#2077410 - 05/04/13 10:45 PM When is it time to move on to the next song?
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I've been stuck on Blow the Man Down for the past two weeks. Finally, I can play it properly. However, I'm still feeling reluctant to even turn the page because I don't feel like I'm confident enough.

Here's the recording, don't mind the last note past 0:21
http://soundcloud.com/pianotimo/blow-the-man-down


Edited by pianotimo (05/05/13 12:35 PM)

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#2077419 - 05/04/13 11:14 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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I think you should move to next piece, and turn back to review Blow the Man Down later ^^
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#2077438 - 05/05/13 12:18 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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It's hard to know when you are starting out. Well, if someone sat down and asked you to play it for him or her, would you feel you are at the point where it is presentable? How many mistakes would you make if you were to play it under pressure?

We all have different standards for moving on, and even if you had a teacher, your teacher may have different expectations from his or her students depending on how the teacher gauges the student's willingness to do a better job before moving on.

I would suggest you record your performance, then listen to it yourself. If you are happy with the result, then you could move on. Or for extra credit you might even post it here and ask others for feedback.
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#2077446 - 05/05/13 12:44 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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Another way to go is keep practicing "Blow the Man Down" 5-10' everyday another week. In the mean time, find some other pieces beside Alfred to learn.

For your reference, I have 2 method books to study. Whenever I feel difficult to move on one book, I set it aside and practice other book.
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#2077462 - 05/05/13 02:03 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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I usually keep on it till I hear no big progress anymore and both I and my teacher are satisfied.

I had one case where my teacher was satisfied but I not so we kept at it.

Two weeks? You like the piece? Just keep on it a bit longer. I sometimes work for months on a piece.
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#2077467 - 05/05/13 02:18 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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If you have a teacher, this is easy: you move on when he/she tells you to.

Without a teacher, it's a little more tricky, but I'd say you've gotten good advice above: if you can record it and be satisfied with the result of that recording, you can confidently move on.

Or, you can do something in-between. I recently made a recording of one of my Burgmüller pieces for the May piano bar. It wasn't bad, but wasn't good either. So I'm keeping the piece on my plate ... just play through it once or twice every day at a tempo that is slightly below what I can do under 'optimal circumstances'. If I make a mistake, I slow it down and play again. If I get it right, I speed it up, and that becomes my new 'standard' tempo.

I won't be playing that piece in front of my teacher any more. But I will keep playing it until I find that the tempo is at the maximum it's going to get (read: when I can't speed up any more without always making a mistake somewhere).
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#2077477 - 05/05/13 03:00 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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It depends on what you want from a piece. If you're polishing it for performance, say for an AFB recital, stay with it until you have it good enough to record or play for company. If you're learning it for technique or just to scratch an itch, I'd say move on when you no longer felt challenged.
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#2077494 - 05/05/13 04:54 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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This has been discussed a lot in the threads dedicated to the Alfred's books. I don't think you should stop on a single piece for long (certainly not for two weeks) and I suggest working on 2 or 3 pieces at a time. IMHO, most songs in book 1 are simply not worth learning thoroughly.
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#2077546 - 05/05/13 08:30 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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Originally Posted By: pianotimo
I've been stuck on Blow the Man Down for the past two weeks. Finally, I can play it properly. However, I'm still feeling reluctant to even turn the page because I don't feel like I'm confident enough.


How are you practicing? Not length of time, but what are you doing with your time?
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#2077561 - 05/05/13 09:34 AM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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#2077624 - 05/05/13 12:16 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: sinophilia]
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Well, it hasn't been taking me two weeks to learn the song. I've been busy the past two weeks so whatever time I can find to play on the piano (some days 10 minutes, other days none), I've been playing this song.

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#2077628 - 05/05/13 12:17 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: Morodiene]
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I usually run through the song a few times and when I play it perfectly, I play it some more to make sure that I can actually play it. I've actually been playing it perfectly fine (IMO) for the past week. Other than that, I do some Hanon and browse PianoForum smile

I'll upload the audio to SoundCloud.

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#2077638 - 05/05/13 12:35 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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Here's the recording, don't mind the last note past 0:21
http://soundcloud.com/pianotimo/blow-the-man-down

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#2077645 - 05/05/13 12:43 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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What I meant is, you must have learned the technique that the song was meant to teach, maybe it's a particular kind of bass line, specific chords, a specific tempo, whatever... These are exercises after all. So you move on to the next one, and if you want to polish a certain piece you can still play it a couple of times every day to keep it fresh. If you stop too much on a single song you're wasting time, because your ultimate goal is not to be able to play that specific silly song, but just to learn something from it. Of course time spent playing is never wasted, but if you don't have much time, you might want to consider this.

Well, this has been my experience with the Alfred's books, but everybody's different!
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#2077647 - 05/05/13 12:46 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: sinophilia]
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Thanks for your insight. I think I understand now smile

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#2077824 - 05/05/13 06:25 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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Anyone listen to it and can give me feedback?

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#2077894 - 05/05/13 09:01 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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pianotimo, I only have been playing for almost six months so can give you another learners perspective.

Listened to your piece about five times now and very impressed with the speed and clarity which you have perfected (also loved the birds chirping in the background).

I personally think the waltz is quite tricky perhaps it is because as learners it is one of the first rhythms along with broken chords we are going to use and we are still struggling with hand independence at a fundamental level. Having said that it is time for you to move on and "turn that page" you have learned enough from this song. At this stage it is not worth our time to polish and perfect a piece unless for a recital or we really love it. Much better to have learned what we need from the piece and move onto something else, for there are other challenges ahead. You may also find, as I do, that learning something harder (in my case I am struggling with polyphonic pieces) gives you another perspective on what is hard. You will one day look back on “Blow the Man Down” and wonder what ever troubled you about it.


Edited by earlofmar (05/05/13 09:03 PM)
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#2078518 - 05/06/13 07:35 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: earlofmar]
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I didn't even notice this birds! Anyways, I moved on smile I will say that this song is out of order, as the pages afterwards are much easier.

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#2078524 - 05/06/13 07:42 PM Re: When is it time to move on to the next song? [Re: pianotimo]
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My answer to the original question is this: when you get bored to the point that you're no longer focusing on what you should be doing, and/or when you've learned the piece to the level you want to learn it. smile
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