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#2078667 - 05/07/13 06:08 AM What are they muttering?
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I noticed pianists like Argerich and Wang sometimes mutter something to themselves when they play.. What are they muttering? And no it's not humming the tune like Gould does, they are actually saying something. Are they muttering the chord names/modulations to help them remember or something. I wanna know because I have memory issues, if it helps them then I wanna try that LOL

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#2078714 - 05/07/13 08:42 AM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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Well, in Argerich's case I think she is whispering, "faster, faster, gotta go faster!!" grin
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#2078738 - 05/07/13 09:41 AM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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When I mutter I'm saying %$#&@
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#2078760 - 05/07/13 10:41 AM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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They're counting of course!




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#2078815 - 05/07/13 12:38 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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I'm not muttering - I'm chewing cud (a la Alfred Brendel).
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#2078819 - 05/07/13 12:54 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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....or gum like Pogorelich
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#2078828 - 05/07/13 01:27 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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albynism :

Some I know, but not necessarily those to whom you refer - are not muttering anything; they have developed the habit of keeping time with tongue movements that often show their lips moving as well. Others bob their heads; some tap their foot.

Even if you knew what they were muttering - if, indeed they were muttering anything - how would that help you?

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#2078974 - 05/07/13 07:10 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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BruceD: I'm just curious and want to try every technique in the book if that can make me a better pianist.

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#2078976 - 05/07/13 07:15 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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Also I count by tapping my foot (a habit) something my teacher frowns upon. Maybe I'll try keeping time by saying it, least it would free my foot to use the soft pedal.

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#2079031 - 05/07/13 09:47 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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Originally Posted By: albynism
BruceD: I'm just curious and want to try every technique in the book if that can make me a better pianist.

I understand what you mean, but I would concern myself more with what my fingers are doing than what someone else's mouth is doing. wink

Regarding foot tapping-- you can best anticipate rhythms if you can internalize the beat while playing. Also, you may need to put that foot on a pedal sometime, and if you're tapping the beat, you may find that difficult to accomplish. smile
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#2079032 - 05/07/13 09:51 PM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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I agree that they're usually not really "muttering."

But when they are, it could be this: grin


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#2079788 - 05/09/13 10:41 AM Re: What are they muttering? [Re: albynism]
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I love this thread! I was going to post one like it the other day. I had noticed in Youtube videos of Helene Grimaud and Martha Argerich (and some others as well) it is like they are whispering tiny jibber-jabbers.

My personal opinion on this is that they are subvocalizing very quietly, as I think a lot of virtuoso performance involves projecting a very specific mental image. I think they're doing the same as what Glenn Gould used to do, but just much much more quietly.

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