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#2078724 - 05/07/13 09:05 AM Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!!
BuilderGirl Offline
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Registered: 05/03/13
Posts: 7
I am considering a private purchase of a 1999 Hallet Davis & Co G-82 baby grand (5'9"). In looking at it this weekend, the owners shared the report from last tuning on Feb 16, 2012.

The comments for us "lay people":
Pinblock excellent
Soundboard - no cracks
Sostenuto - works
Regulation good

There were other comments in a box - he had told the owners that this is technicians' information, in case they ever had someone else tune/work on the piano, it would help the next technician:

Let off @ 1/8 (and had the degree sign after 1/8 - I can't find a way to type that in!)
Dip min
hammer on Rail
Dip deep .4 ar (or an, ai? can't read writing) @ .4
Springs good

Can someone "translate" that for me?
Is there anything that would concern you here about this piano?
Also, have you had experiences with overall quality of 1999 Halley Davis baby grand?

The technician for this piano is the one who referred me to it, which gives me an overall sense of security about the quality of this piano. However, I am a novice (took lessons many years ago), and not familiar with the Hallet Davis & Co. name. I know it has Hyundai parts inside, but don't get the sense that I should be alarmed by that.

I liked the feel of the piano, and the sound seemed good to me (I'm hardly a trained ear!) and I really liked the fact that it's 5' 9" so it's not teeny-tiny, and I'm thinking that due to the size it should produce at better sound? The only thing I could hear in it was that the lowest 5 notes sounded "muddy" to me, barely discernable what note was playing.

The serial number is ISI0450.

Please give me your best shot at technical feedback on this piano!
Thanks!


Edited by BuilderGirl (05/07/13 09:10 AM)

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#2078733 - 05/07/13 09:30 AM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: BuilderGirl]
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Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7215
Loc: France
1 day regulation and voicing planned. good condition.

Nothing stated about hammer head wear (level of use) and keys lateral motion ?

it is a very young piano anyway, so wear is probably not the question
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#2078785 - 05/07/13 11:28 AM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: BuilderGirl]
TunerJeff Offline
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Registered: 06/22/11
Posts: 450
Loc: Oregon Coast
To answer the questions...

Interpreting another's notes is not always easy. The set that you posted is interesting...

<<Let off @ 1/8 (and had the degree sign after 1/8 - I can't find a way to type that in!)
Dip min
hammer on Rail
Dip deep .4 ar (or an, ai? can't read writing) @ .4
Springs good>>

Let-off @ 1/8+= The hammers are set to a conservative, or 'safe' amount of let-off for a home-use piano. In a concert setting, we might want to push the let-off (the distance where the hammer is released by the escapement) a little tighter, but that general setting, around 1/8-inch, is fine in the home.
Dip-min= Minimal, or not much keydip.
Dip-deep= A little too much? A different amount? A different area of the keyboard? A bit confusing, that is.
Hammer on rail= The hammers should not be on the rail. Either the hammer rail should be lowered, or the hammers raised. A properly adjusted action has a little room between the hammers and the rail. It is more of a 'bounce' rail...not a support. There can be regulation issues, if the hammers are putting any weight on that rail at rest position.
Springs good= The springs are doing their job.

We can only guess, from a distance, but as the piano plays well, and sounds good you are probably ok in a general sense. It may want a little regulation to bring it up a notch in performance. Sounds like it has had minimal play, too.

The current crop of Hallet-Davis is produced in CHINA. They have nothing to do with the fine old American piano that is talked about on their website. It is a stencil piano, basically hoping to sway buyers with a 'known' name and 'Boston company' as if that had anything to do with the piano in a real sense. It does not. It is not a Tier-One piano, as their 'Boston' website claims, either.

The overall quality of the piano is similiar to other lower-end chinese pianos. Nordiska and Ottomeister spring to mind as similiar quality. They can be workable, but longevity and overall design and construction? You can read some posts on that here in the Piano Forum by searching 'Hallet Davis pianos', and see what pops up.

Bottom line; If you get a GREAT price, and put a little time into the regulation, it may serve you. If it is not a great price....look elsewhere. Do run a search on 'Hallet Davis pianos' here on the Forum.

Just sayin',
I am,
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Oregon Coast Piano Services
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#2078792 - 05/07/13 11:39 AM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: BuilderGirl]
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Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 7215
Loc: France
What strikes me is "shanks on cushions" that is sign of lack of maintenance, as the shanks lower naturally with the knuckle breaking in.

An easy to correct point of regulation, but the sign of absence of care. Then dip can be insufficient as hammer have a longer path to travel. Nothing strange , new or really bad, just to be corrected.

Mufled tone is less easy to repair, as it can be that hammers have been improperly voiced, or bad quality bass strings.
Some tuners do not understand that the crown need to be firm to allow a good rebound on the wire, and tend to soften them, killing the tone, while in fact the first thing to do is to raise the energy by deep needling in 80% of the cases.
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#2078811 - 05/07/13 12:23 PM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: BuilderGirl]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7239
Loc: Rochester MN
The particular piano you are looking at was made by Samick in Inchon, South Korea and distributed by Hyundai. It is identical to Maeari pianos and those labeled as Hyndai, with a different design and scale from the pianos which carried the Samick label in that time period.

As Jeff mentioned, they should not be confused with the original Hallets, but also should not be equated with the current Samick products. The particular piano that you are interested in should be judged by another technician and evaluated on its own merits. In 1999, they were an entry level instrument, and the price being asked should reflect this. That does not mean, however, that it couldn't be a very gratifying instrument for your use.
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#2078878 - 05/07/13 03:35 PM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: BuilderGirl]
beethoven986 Offline
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Registered: 01/20/09
Posts: 3320
It should also be noted that this piano would be different from the Hallet Davis pianos that were made by the Dongbei factory, which could actually be modified to perform at a very high standard with the right attention to detail.
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#2078910 - 05/07/13 04:58 PM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: BuilderGirl]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7239
Loc: Rochester MN
A 1999 Hallet Davis G-82 grand has no connection with Dongbei. A G-82 never had any connection with Dongbei. It was a rare bird produced for just a few years and built by Samick. The contemporary Hallets, vertical and grand, may be built by any number of Asian builders.
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#2079016 - 05/07/13 09:14 PM Re: Please give feedback on this piano tuning report!! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
beethoven986 Offline
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Registered: 01/20/09
Posts: 3320
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
A 1999 Hallet Davis G-82 grand has no connection with Dongbei. A G-82 never had any connection with Dongbei.


Yeah. I believe that's what I just said. confused


Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
The contemporary Hallets, vertical and grand, may be built by any number of Asian builders.


I believe this is true, since Dongbei is not making pianos at the moment, due to a dispute with the Chinese authorities. However, I couldn't tell you who is making them off the top of my head. PianoBuyer probably has that info.
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