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#2071085 - 04/25/13 11:18 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
croberts Offline
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I went back today to sit down and really play the fp80, I put about 1 hour on it, and here are my thoughts. Keep in mind I'm coming from playing a Yamaha p155 quite a bit for the last 3-4 yrs but grew up on only acoustics.

The feel of the keys is remarkably better than my 155. The sound of the sn concert piano is terrific, all be it I think out of the box it might take a little tweaking for my preference. I was able to get much more expression with the fp80, but I guess this should be expected for a dp twice the price of the other.

Now the big question... The metallic distortion. I used headphones first and then without. I absolutely understand what people are talking about now. BUT, here is my take on it. It began to bug me but then started to understand that it certainly had to do with how hard the keys were struck (at least IMO). So I turned up the volume and reduced key pressure and was satisfied that I did not hear it all the time, but only when I was aggressive. I know this sounds crazy to most of you but I'm not convinced this is a "distortion" but more of a effect. Sort of like the pedal string resonance sound. Once I popped off the headphones the speakers were impressive. My one slight reservation was it sounded a bit muddy in the base, but I think I'm used to the bright Yamaha. One other note/question, I hated the pedal that I was using, although I'm not sure if it was the one that comes with it, any comments from current users? Can I use one of my p155 pedals that I had?

Needless to say I pulled the trigger, opted to wait a couple days for a in the box piano as only the floor model was left. Looking forward to really trying it out at home.

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#2071117 - 04/26/13 12:11 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: free thinker]
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Originally Posted By: free thinker
now I hear a muffled triad chord in its place. The individual notes sound good but played simultaneously they don't.

This definitely happens on the RD-700NX with "Comp Piano" patch. Two keys unnaturally sound like three sometimes. Studio is clean of this. Occasionally I hear a tiny warble from Concert with 3 keys.

Originally Posted By: croberts
My one slight reservation was it sounded a bit muddy in the base, but I think I'm used to the bright Yamaha.

I concur, and I generally reach for the lowest EQ knob and dial in -3dB (well it's on a registration, actually.)

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#2071208 - 04/26/13 03:43 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Happy for you Croberts.
I doubt the P155 pedals work on the Roland. You might just want to try it out at the shop. Do your pedals support half pedaling? Do you have three pedals? It's probably worth for you investing a little more (about 150 euros) for the RPU-3 unit from Roland. It's rock solid and truly a pleasure to work with.

I got rid of the 'muddiness' by pulling out a bit the 400-500 Hz with the internal EQ. It worked fine for me.

xorbe: I was wondering what the Comp Piano actually is. It doesn't say anywhere. I have tried it and wasn't really impressed. What would 'Comp' stand for, Compressed, Computer, Composition...(Completely useless)???


Edited by Cmin (04/26/13 03:45 AM)
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#2071216 - 04/26/13 04:01 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Maybe they meant Comb (comb filter effect) ; that would explain some...

Despite all the remarks about 'distortion' and metallic noise / ringing etc with the SN AP , I still thinks it sounds very good and musical and I rate the 'playability' very high. Perhaps it indeed needs some tweaking with EQ and lowering of some designer settings, but other than that it sounds mostly very pleasant to me compared to many other offerings that often sound much more static.

Just my personal opinion.

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#2071249 - 04/26/13 05:43 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Yawhoooo!!! FP-80 support is now here!!!
Wow, look at all those effects in the machine in the Midi Implementation. Too bad they are not accessible from the piano itself.


Edited by Cmin (04/26/13 06:16 AM)
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#2071257 - 04/26/13 06:21 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: croberts]
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Originally Posted By: croberts
Now the big question... The metallic distortion. I used headphones first and then without. I absolutely understand what people are talking about now. BUT, here is my take on it. It began to bug me but then started to understand that it certainly had to do with how hard the keys were struck (at least IMO). So I turned up the volume and reduced key pressure and was satisfied that I did not hear it all the time, but only when I was aggressive. I know this sounds crazy to most of you but I'm not convinced this is a "distortion" but more of a effect.


The samples simply become metallic and piercing too suddenly with increasing playing strengths. It's what I've been saying all along about Roland SN. There's moments in the demos already posted where it is very audible when players are giving it just a little bit more oomph in the midrange areas. The problem (and it IS a problem) is that it affects some notes more than others. Two adjacent notes can behave very differently and that is wrong. It would appear the only SN sound that doesn't do it is the Studio Grand on the RD-700NX. It was a total deal-breaker for me on FP-7F, RD-700GX(SN) and HP-307. It's a real shame because in other respects they have a hugely impressive technology on their hands with SN.
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#2071302 - 04/26/13 08:31 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Has anyone tried both an HP-505 and FP-80? Does the HP-505's speakers sound noticeably better?

I'm pretty sure I want to buy a Roland DP and have tried the HP models. First I was leaning towards the HP-505, but it lacks some of the features found on the HP-507 and FP-80. So I've been weighing the options along with the cost difference. I'd love to get the HP-507, but it's hard to ignore that it's twice the price for better speakers and cabinet. So I'm wondering if the FP-80's speakers are close enough to the HP-505, in which case I could get all the additional features I want but still have decent speakers. I don't care about the cabinet too much.

FP-80 ~ $2000
- Cheaper
- More options to tweak sound than the HP-505

HP-505 ~ $3000
- Nicer cabinet than FP-80
- Better speakers than FP-80?

HP-507 ~ $4000
- More options to tweak sound than the HP-505
- Better speakers than HP-505

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#2071327 - 04/26/13 09:12 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Originally Posted By: croberts
Now the big question... The metallic distortion. I used headphones first and then without. I absolutely understand what people are talking about now. BUT, here is my take on it. It began to bug me but then started to understand that it certainly had to do with how hard the keys were struck (at least IMO). So I turned up the volume and reduced key pressure and was satisfied that I did not hear it all the time, but only when I was aggressive. I know this sounds crazy to most of you but I'm not convinced this is a "distortion" but more of a effect.


The samples simply become metallic and piercing too suddenly with increasing playing strengths. It's what I've been saying all along about Roland SN. There's moments in the demos already posted where it is very audible when players are giving it just a little bit more oomph in the midrange areas. The problem (and it IS a problem) is that it affects some notes more than others. Two adjacent notes can behave very differently and that is wrong. It would appear the only SN sound that doesn't do it is the Studio Grand on the RD-700NX. It was a total deal-breaker for me on FP-7F, RD-700GX(SN) and HP-307. It's a real shame because in other respects they have a hugely impressive technology on their hands with SN.


Yep. The Ab a +5 above middle C and to a lesser extent, the A a half step up. I just played the 700NX the other day at GC again and when you accent/dig in, especially on single note jazz lines or even intervals of 6ths or 3rds with that Ab on top, it's clearly there.

Those that aren't hearing it, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you don't dig into the keys enough while your playing. Playing more of a flowy, ballady, legato, lyrical Classical, New Agey/Pop style, I could see how you possibly might not hear it.

I might have given the 700NX a try had it not been for those notes. It is without a doubt a thicker, more complex sound then the Yamahas..like a real piano. It has more balls in the lower register and is more attractive in certain contexts for solo playing.

But the bottom line for me is, I simply don't find the Roland pianos as "jazz friendly" as the Yamahas...specifically the CP5/1.


Edited by Dave Ferris (04/27/13 12:14 AM)
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#2071348 - 04/26/13 09:37 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I didn't make any notes but isn't everybody complaining about different keys? I think I already saw completely different sets of keys listed as "problamatic" by different people, complaining about the same problem.

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#2071395 - 04/26/13 10:52 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Hookxs]
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Yes I believe each piano is problematic in a different area. I have come to realize that most people who easily detect the sound have been using an AP. It is jarring to me when I am playing then inadvertantly hit the offending key. Ouch! Makes me want to stop. The silence from Roland is deafening

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#2071460 - 04/26/13 11:45 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
xorbe: I was wondering what the Comp Piano actually is. It doesn't say anywhere. I have tried it and wasn't really impressed. What would 'Comp' stand for, Compressed, Computer, Composition...(Completely useless)???

No idea, I had the same question! If it's "comping" perhaps it's an intended effect.

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#2071479 - 04/26/13 12:15 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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#2071550 - 04/26/13 01:43 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: anotherscott]
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And yes comping just doesn't pertain to jazz. It's often referred to in RnB, funk, blues, gospel, rock and pop. It is a jazz based term though, and usually those who use that term in styles outside of jazz most often have some kind of jazz background or training at one time in their life.
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#2071845 - 04/26/13 11:04 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Rolands started developing the metallic twang effect problem after the RD-600, when they went up to the 700 series and SRX. That's also around the same time their actions got really good I thought, the original RD700 key balance was very good. People commented about the hollowness of the sample when they went from MKS-20 tech to JV, but JV was warm and never had a twang even if less dense that MK. I was watching a relatively recent live Procal Harum DVD with Gary Brooker using a RD600 (which I owned)and it still retained warmth ... it was the switch to SRX when it started. anybody else experience that... It was almost unbearable on the original VR760 piano unless you could keep the gain low in louder gigs that I wouldn't characterize as too loud either...

With the FP4/7 I thought things changed, the tone was fuller, richer like a Yamaha and full sampling made a big difference..and their actions just got better..and it behaved better level wise and was more 'locked down'.

I still like Yamahas though, Like where I truly think Ferris is at (truly), is that you can play them pretty robustly and their dynamics are always in the zone. Their 'locked down' bandwidth wise which is broader than Rolands I think, EQ better too. Have a lot of punch when kicked (and something else also?)...depends how you play. I find them very reliable DP's sonically.

Rolands SN has more veneer and a balanced playability with a very hot articulated type of sample... depends on how you play, what you like ... a more elegant axe.

Yamahas have a tendency when not amplified right to sound boxy, so there you go...

I always rationalized the R twang phenomenon as a synth. 101 problem. 'Possible' higher partial distortion, maybe in the sample and maybe not on sone high vel. layer samples (real pianos can have that metallic component at ff and above) coupled with a very hot keybend sensor scheme pushing the filter envelope too hot or at to fast a rate (velocity issue). They are getting a heck of a lot right though in the balancing act and it responds well with their keybeds but it's not completely balanced somewhere with some notes.



Edited by legatoboy (04/26/13 11:48 PM)
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#2071986 - 04/27/13 08:21 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Yes it definitely depends how and what you are playing. Whilst it is a generalisation I think the Roland suits a softer, ballad, romantic or introspective style. Lower velocities just don't provoke the twanging at all. Then there's nothing to distract from the darkish, European tone, the more-or-less seamless velocity layers and of course the unlooped, fairly natural sounding decay.

Personally, now I'm exploring my Yamaha CP1 I'm finding that the Yamaha really allows you to explore chord voicing. You can pick out particular notes within a chord and accent them. The Roland is muddy by comparison. With all the "technical" limitations of the Yamaha I would still say that nothing else has such a combination of musicality and articulation. There's precision without being clinical or cold.

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#2073794 - 04/29/13 09:17 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: EssBrace]
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Despite the distortion , in my opinion (I repeat) the SN sound is the best out there and the keyboard is excellent giving an overall very satisfying playing experience. To those who say the distortion is actually an 'effect' then why would it occur in different keys on on other pianos? And maybe the distortion is not as bad on some pianos. But as I said, after fooling around with the transpose function on my fp-80 the distortion was greatly reduced when transpose was returned to normal setting and it remains so. I would suggest this route for owners of fp-80 with strong distortion to see if it fixes the problem for them.

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#2073988 - 04/30/13 07:59 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: CarloPiano]
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Sorry if I pick up an old topic of this thread, but reading the thread again I somehow got nervous that the quality difference of the keybeds of an HP in comparison to an FP could get lost:

Originally Posted By: CarloPiano
Originally Posted By: Cmin
Does anybody know the "Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement"?


According to Roland brochures, Ivory Feel-S (former known as PHA III Ivory Feel-S) is almost identical to PHA-III except for the fact Ivory Feel-S is built on a single plastic piece instead of two. I guess this has to do with the lack of the wooden imitation side PHA III has. HP-503 (Ivory Feel-S) and HP-505 (PHA III) feel different each other but IMHO it's not due to the action, which is almost identical, but due to amp+speakers. The final feedback the player receives depends on the sum of many factors, not only the action. As we usually see on Yamaha GH, just the same action may feel quite different on different instruments.
(...)



The Feel-G, Feel-S, PHA-II and PHA-III all feel different. You can test it easily in a direct comparison with the DPs being switched off. I once did it, and became convinced that in mentioned order they mature from wobbly to soundly stable. This mechancial felt difference then of course results in a correspondingly increasing better "final feedback the player receives". An enhanced speaker system does not solely cause this impression, but on its own improves again an all over impression.

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#2074003 - 04/30/13 08:36 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Hi Marco,

I think that the difference in touch between Ivory-Feel S and PHA-III has as much to do with the cabinet it is build-in as with the keys themselves. Feel-S and PHA-III are structurally the same and I believe the difference is indeed only the two layered plastic that is use - just for the fake wooden view on the sides. It would be interesting to be able to test them in the same cabinet , however that is not possible. A stage model FP-80 and home model HP-507 have much structural difference in the hardware cabinet that supports the keybed. My impression is , with other brands as well , that this has an influence on how tight the keybed is and how it feels. More than IMHO the structural difference between PHA-III and PHA-III-S . Have you tried the PHA-III on an RD700NX / HP model , or both ? And the Ivory-S; FP-80 ?

For comparison try a Casio PX-150 and PX-850 side by side. Same keybed - different feel.

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#2074101 - 04/30/13 11:10 AM Re: The New Ones: FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Yes, I do believe that the cabinet and also the stand the unit is mounted on can have an influence. I in June most likely will have the chance to another time abroad get access to a wide variety of DPs in a huge store smile and I will check again...
... I am very curious how my impressions (on everything, not just the keybed) changed after a year.

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#2074231 - 04/30/13 02:09 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: free thinker]
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Originally Posted By: free thinker
To those who say the distortion is actually an 'effect' then why would it occur in different keys on on other pianos?


This is true, but I wonder how much of this is perception vs actual and to what extent. I mean true lab testing would ultimately be the best way to confirm these things and eliminate all kinds of variables but at the end of the day you are happy. Hopefully I will be too, picking mine up later today so will have some time to play it tonight.

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#2075638 - 05/02/13 05:06 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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#2079128 - 05/08/13 05:24 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Just to inform you:

It is not possible to save the Piano Designer edits in the Registers. frown
That means once you edit and save your designed piano into memory, that's it. It is not possible to compare or play the different pianos you've edited. I was hoping on making different character style sounding pianos to be switched in the registry.

Also, the Piano Designer has always influence on all three first Pianos : Concert, Ballade and Bright. Meaning: any changes made will affect all of these.

Just wanted to share my discoveries...
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#2079130 - 05/08/13 05:37 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Just to inform you:

It is not possible to save the Piano Designer edits in the Registers. frown
That means once you edit and save your designed piano into memory, that's it. It is not possible to compare or play the different pianos you've edited. I was hoping on making different character style sounding pianos to be switched in the registry.

Also, the Piano Designer has always influence on all three first Pianos : Concert, Ballade and Bright. Meaning: any changes made will affect all of these.

Just wanted to share my discoveries...

Unfortunatly, you are completely right...
I made the same discovery today cry
while I wanted also to compare settings..
At the end, it does not disturb me so much as the piano design settings reflect the way I want the piano behaves and sound..whatever is the preset I am using.
(however, it would have been a nice "goodies" to tweak settings per type of music you play..)

I am loving more and more this DP as I can tweak it exactly as I want, and it responds perfectly to all my solicitations (much more than the NU1 which lacks a little of dynamism)


Edited by enzo.sandrolini (05/08/13 05:38 AM)
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#2079137 - 05/08/13 05:51 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Just to inform you:

It is not possible to save the Piano Designer edits in the Registers. frown
That means once you edit and save your designed piano into memory, that's it. It is not possible to compare or play the different pianos you've edited. I was hoping on making different character style sounding pianos to be switched in the registry.

Also, the Piano Designer has always influence on all three first Pianos : Concert, Ballade and Bright. Meaning: any changes made will affect all of these.

Just wanted to share my discoveries...


Weird. Strange they don't let you edit the designer settings for each preset and save it, but that the designer parameters are affecting ALL SN piano presets. Sort of a master setting , like a master EQ on the final output. Wonder what the reason is an if it can be "fixed" in a firmware update. Also wonder if this is also valid for the RD700NX (designer settings affects ALL AP SN sounds).

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#2079138 - 05/08/13 05:52 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Happy to hear it from someone else, Enzo. I was starting to doubt myself.
You are right, it is so much fun to play this instrument. And truly, I can live with the way it works - it just would have been nice.


Edited by Cmin (05/08/13 05:58 AM)
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#2079155 - 05/08/13 07:08 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I copy here my review from the parallel topic in order to get everything about these DP in on place...


Hello
I have just received the roland FP 80 today for replacing my Casio PX-350
I wanted another stage DP than the Casio fro serveral reasons:
I liked the Casio keybed, but
- I did not like the sound: the piano sound and the EP sounds as well.
- and I had big trouble in getting a correct dynamic response from this DP : it goes to "quickly" from inaudible to extremely loud sound..really really difficult to tame (and really not like a real piano, as I also take my lessons on real upright)
Using VST solved all these issues (letting the major advantage of the Casio : weight for gigging and keybed)
But as I wanted to have a Piano sound that I can tame and appreciate also when gigging, I have decided to go for the Roland (as I formerly owned an HP307)
And I can say that this DP is quite impressive
The Piano sound is really really good, and I also prefer the keybed which is firmer (and more like the upright I also play)
The EP sound and Organ sound are also really good (far better than the Casio)
the sound system are quite impressive as they give really good result with the internal speaker (I used to connect the Casio to external monitors as the internal speaker where quite bad..but here with the Roland, it is not mandatory)

I also own a Yamaha NU1, and I found the Roland a good companion to my NU1 as it is "different" but close in quality, but the NU1 keybed is better, but more difficult to play.
I use my NU1 to practice my classical works, and the Roland for Jazz, Pop, Rock music.
The only drawback I can see to the Roland is...the weight..
It is damned heavy compared to the casio...

If you have question or want more details for comparing these 3 DP I am talking about here, don't hesitate

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#2079167 - 05/08/13 07:46 AM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Thanks, Enzo.
I linked it in the OP anyway.

To the FP-50 users:
It would be nice to hear your inputs!


Edited by Cmin (05/10/13 08:06 AM)
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#2079172 - 05/08/13 08:12 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Cmin
It would be so easy to have the signal going out through the USB cable - but, no.
Maybe there will be an update for that.

I think xorbe has it right. Recording to a USB stick, where the piano is the host, is much simpler than sending audio over USB to the computer, where the piano is the slave (the computer is the host), and it would require writing a custom driver for Windows (and Mac), and some commitment to keeping those drivers functional through future Windows/Mac OS updates at least through the sales life of the piano. Doing this might also interfere with the ability of the piano to behave as a "class compliant" device which could create its own complications.


Why is the USB port in the back? On my FP-7 it's in the front which makes much more sense (or does the FP-80 have front & back ports?).
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#2079178 - 05/08/13 08:38 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I've always been surprised at how many boards put their headphone jacks in the back, it's obviously the "wrong" place. It's more difficult to plug it in, you have to take more care to route the wire out of your way while playing. It's not like you're ever listening from that side of the board. I guess it's just sometimes cheaper to make it that way.

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#2079182 - 05/08/13 08:44 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I've always been surprised at how many boards put their headphone jacks in the back, it's obviously the "wrong" place. It's more difficult to plug it in, you have to take more care to route the wire out of your way while playing. It's not like you're ever listening from that side of the board. I guess it's just sometimes cheaper to make it that way.

The headphone Jack is on the front, but the USB plug is on the back...
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