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#2079188 - 05/08/13 09:05 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
Morodiene Offline
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
I've always been surprised at how many boards put their headphone jacks in the back, it's obviously the "wrong" place. It's more difficult to plug it in, you have to take more care to route the wire out of your way while playing. It's not like you're ever listening from that side of the board. I guess it's just sometimes cheaper to make it that way.

The headphone Jack is on the front, but the USB plug is on the back...


Annoying, but you can certainly buy a USB port extender cable, so it's not the end of the world.
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#2079268 - 05/08/13 12:10 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Morodiene]
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Oups
I have just find another little issue (bug ??)
the Key Touch setting is not saved in memory and after having switched off-on the piano, you always get the default value frown
Again, it is not a big deal, but here, I think Roland will probably release a Patch Update
But I am not sure Patch can be applied to the Rolands DP.. anyone knows ?
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#2079273 - 05/08/13 12:17 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Oups
I have just find another little issue (bug ??)
the Key Touch setting is not saved in memory and after having switched off-on the piano, you always get the default value frown
Again, it is not a big deal, but here, I think Roland will probably release a Patch Update
But I am not sure Patch can be applied to the Rolands DP.. anyone knows ?


Firmware can always be updated - if that is what you mean.... Question is "if" and for how long a company wants to support it's product by FW updates with bug fixes and new features. Some brands are better at this (e.g. Kurzweil updates it's firmware for years) than others (Studiologic , Roland (?))

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#2079283 - 05/08/13 12:29 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Originally Posted By: JFP
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Oups
I have just find another little issue (bug ??)
the Key Touch setting is not saved in memory and after having switched off-on the piano, you always get the default value frown
Again, it is not a big deal, but here, I think Roland will probably release a Patch Update
But I am not sure Patch can be applied to the Rolands DP.. anyone knows ?


Firmware can always be updated - if that is what you mean.... Question is "if" and for how long a company wants to support it's product by FW updates with bug fixes and new features. Some brands are better at this (e.g. Kurzweil updates it's firmware for years) than others (Studiologic , Roland (?))

Are you sure that Firmware can always be update by simple users ??
Companies my "block" this function and require a technician
I am saying that as I have not found any Firmware update for the FP-7F for example, on the Roland site...


Edited by enzo.sandrolini (05/08/13 12:30 PM)
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#2079287 - 05/08/13 12:37 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene

Why is the USB port in the back? On my FP-7 it's in the front which makes much more sense (or does the FP-80 have front & back ports?).


There are two ports on the back. One is for a USB stick and the other to a computer. On the stick you can save songs in WAV or SMF. To the computer it (only) sends MIDI.
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#2079289 - 05/08/13 12:44 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Oups
I have just find another little issue (bug ??)
the Key Touch setting is not saved in memory and after having switched off-on the piano, you always get the default value frown
Again, it is not a big deal, but here, I think Roland will probably release a Patch Update
But I am not sure Patch can be applied to the Rolands DP.. anyone knows ?

You can save the touch in the registrations (for some strange reason).
Look in the manual on page 57 'Saved Settings' shows what is saved where.
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#2079291 - 05/08/13 12:46 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Oups
I have just find another little issue (bug ??)
the Key Touch setting is not saved in memory and after having switched off-on the piano, you always get the default value frown
Again, it is not a big deal, but here, I think Roland will probably release a Patch Update
But I am not sure Patch can be applied to the Rolands DP.. anyone knows ?

You can save the touch in the registrations (for some strange reason).
Look in the manual on page 57 'Saved Settings' shows what is saved where.

Yep, you are right...
really strange behavior
They might have thought that Touch is related the type of instrument you play, while "Piano design" is for all... sick (I am not convinced by my arguments..)
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#2079296 - 05/08/13 12:50 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Are you sure that Firmware can always be update by simple users ??

No, not all keyboards are designed to be able to be updated by end users (or, possibly, at all). And of course, even if the capability is there, that doesn't mean it will ever be used. As has been mentioned, Roland is worse than average in providing updates to existing instruments. Regardless, I wouldn't suggest buying any keyboard that doesn't work in a way you find acceptable out of the box. There's never a guarantee it will ever be better.

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#2079300 - 05/08/13 12:55 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Are you sure that Firmware can always be update by simple users ??

Regardless, I wouldn't suggest buying any keyboard that doesn't work in a way you find acceptable out of the box. There's never a guarantee it will ever be better.

You are right, but I am talking here about little issue (if they can be called like that, as this behavior might be "strange", but is described in the manual...)
Don't misunderstand me, I really enjoy this DP grin
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#2079304 - 05/08/13 01:06 PM Re: All about Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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As on my FP4 I believe the Key Touch is only saved in a Registration.
This if from the FP-80 manual below in regard to the parms. that are saved in a Registration:

Settings Saved in Registrations
Setting Explanation Page
– Selected tone p. 14
– Dual play on/off p. 14
– Tone 1/Tone 2 (Dual play) p. 14
– Split play on/off p. 15
– Right-hand tone/Left-hand tone (Split
play) p. 15
– Split point p. 15
– Transpose’s on or off, its value, and
Transpose mode p. 19
– Ambience on/off and depth p. 17

The Volume balance between the
keyboard performance and the
accompaniment
p. 8
– Rotary effect’s pulse speed p. 14
Modulation Speed Speed of sound modulation p. 14
Key Touch Key touch p. 18
Rhythm Rhythm settings p. 20
Edit Tone Wheel Settings for each tone wheel organ p. 32
Dual Balance Dual balance p. 45
Split Balance Split balance p. 45
Audio Transpose Audio transpose p. 25
Transpose Mode Transpose mode p. 44
Octave Shift Octave shift p. 45
Damper Pedal Part Setting for the damper pedal part p. 45
Center Pedal Part Setting for the center pedal part p. 46
Center Pedal Func Function of the center pedal p. 46
Left Pedal Part Setting for the left pedal p. 46
Left Pedal Func Function of the left pedal p. 46
MIDI Transmit Ch. MIDI transmi
Regist. Tx Ch.
Program change data p. 47
Regist. PC
Regist. Bank MSB
Regist. Bank LSB
Split On Chord
Recognize Split on chord recognize p. 45
Chord Prog. Root Chord progression root p. 45
Mic Ambience Mic ambience p. 35
– Harmony on/off setting p. 34
Harmony Type Harmony type p. 35
Harmony Level Harmony volume p. 34


Edited by legatoboy (05/08/13 01:09 PM)
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#2079307 - 05/08/13 01:07 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Originally Posted By: Morodiene

Why is the USB port in the back? On my FP-7 it's in the front which makes much more sense (or does the FP-80 have front & back ports?).


There are two ports on the back. One is for a USB stick and the other to a computer. On the stick you can save songs in WAV or SMF. To the computer it (only) sends MIDI.


Right, my complaint is that if you are using one for a usb stick, then you constantly have to reach around the back to take it in and out, whereas one on the front makes much more sense. My Fp-7 has the USB port in front, so I wonder why the FP-80 does not.
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#2079446 - 05/08/13 05:48 PM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Cmin
Originally Posted By: Morodiene

Why is the USB port in the back? On my FP-7 it's in the front which makes much more sense (or does the FP-80 have front & back ports?).


There are two ports on the back. One is for a USB stick and the other to a computer. On the stick you can save songs in WAV or SMF. To the computer it (only) sends MIDI.


Right, my complaint is that if you are using one for a usb stick, then you constantly have to reach around the back to take it in and out, whereas one on the front makes much more sense. My Fp-7 has the USB port in front, so I wonder why the FP-80 does not.


Because in the place where FP7F had USB port the FP 80 has speakers? Can't think of any other reason.

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#2079655 - 05/09/13 05:05 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Just to inform you:

It is not possible to save the Piano Designer edits in the Registers. frown
That means once you edit and save your designed piano into memory, that's it. It is not possible to compare or play the different pianos you've edited. I was hoping on making different character style sounding pianos to be switched in the registry.

Also, the Piano Designer has always influence on all three first Pianos : Concert, Ballade and Bright. Meaning: any changes made will affect all of these.

Just wanted to share my discoveries...


Accroding to the manual, Piano Designer settings cannot be stored in Registration but can be saved by Memory Backup - meaning that when you turn on the piano, your settings will be set, not the default values.

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#2079768 - 05/09/13 10:04 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I like all external connectors on the back, so if I have something connected (a computer or external input) the cables aren't dangling out the front, getting in the way of playing and looking unsightly.

Just an alternate point of view.

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#2079777 - 05/09/13 10:22 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: MarkF786]
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Originally Posted By: MarkF786
I like all external connectors on the back, so if I have something connected (a computer or external input) the cables aren't dangling out the front, getting in the way of playing and looking unsightly.

Just an alternate point of view.


Oh, I agree, except for the USB port where you are putting a stick in there to record and then taking that stick to your computer a lot (since the USB cable will only do MIDI, and not audio to). So this is all in response to that.

It makes sense that the addition of those other 2 speakers prevented them from continuing this design in the FP-80.

From what I can tell with the FP-80, it's not enough of an improvement to upgrade from the FP-7. Are there any posters here who did that and were happy with the changes?
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#2080178 - 05/10/13 06:35 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Another tip:

To change the Leslie/Rotary effect from slow to fast and vice versa while playing an organ, press the organ button.

What's sad, it can not be assigned to a pedal.



Edited by Cmin (05/10/13 06:39 AM)
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#2080205 - 05/10/13 08:03 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin

What's sad, it can not be assigned to a pedal.



That would be toooo much 2013 ;-)

Afterthought:
Strange that starting from my early 90's instruments complex routings and control assignments we're always standard (Kurzweil , Korg) and then things started to fall apart with later products that became often less flexible and had less control features. I know it's a bit apple&pears, but hey....they could have done a better job living in the 21st century. Apart from the sound and touch , which are great.

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#2080235 - 05/10/13 09:45 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: JFP]
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Afterthought:
Strange that starting from my early 90's instruments complex routings and control assignments we're always standard (Kurzweil , Korg) and then things started to fall apart with later products that became often less flexible and had less control features.

On a related note, with many products, I've noticed there seems to be a cycle where, first they come out with the technology, then they spend some product cycles improving the technology, and after that they only seem concerned with finding ways to cheapen it. VCRs, for example. First they were okay and expensive, then they kept getting better and cheaper, and then finally they started getting worse and cheaper.

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#2080277 - 05/10/13 11:03 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
On a related note, with many products, I've noticed there seems to be a cycle where, first they come out with the technology, then they spend some product cycles improving the technology, and after that they only seem concerned with finding ways to cheapen it. VCRs, for example. First they were okay and expensive, then they kept getting better and cheaper, and then finally they started getting worse and cheaper.

With DPs, I believe much of the degradation in the feature set is due to a fundamental shift in programming techniques. The earlier ones were probably hand coded in assembly by engineers, and they likely needed many of the features for testing. But bean counters are now watching SW development like a hawk, making a lot of free software actually better than the professionally dashed out variety.
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#2081745 - 05/13/13 07:47 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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FP80 and Air Recorder video demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxil3oSWCtU

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#2081769 - 05/13/13 08:41 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Seems to work fine, but...

Wouldn't you rather have Roland put time effort and money in an enhanced SN engine with 256 polyphony , instead of gimmicks like this ?

I'm probably too cynical...

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#2081792 - 05/13/13 09:45 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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To what extent is the Air Recorder dealing with audio (wav &/or mp3) and to what extent is it dealing with midi? I couldn't quite work out what sort of files it was playing back, and how they were being modified by the demonstrator.

It looked very easy, but how on earth could you record a piece like that without taking into account and setting the time signature, metronome, the patch to track allocation, channels (if midi), levels, effects processing, eq and compression? And all the rest of the usual paraphernalia of the studio.....and that's if everything goes according to plan as per the publicity brochures, which it has never been known to have done - at least in my experience.

Looks too good to be real...I would be just getting round to the closing-down-the-troublesome-drivers in the o/s at that stage smile
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#2081799 - 05/13/13 09:54 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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This didn't look like midi recording. It looked more like stream recording (mp3,wma or whatever apple is using). The playback of an itunes song was definately not midi.

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#2081804 - 05/13/13 10:00 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Mmm, Ok, so the question of how on earth you'd modify that music straight from a DP remains. Does the iphone intelligently separate all the tracks out, notate the music and match them up to the nearest patch in the FP-80 library?
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#2081816 - 05/13/13 10:18 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I think you're looking for too much magic. Think streaming mp3 via Wifi Ad-Hoc network.

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#2081821 - 05/13/13 10:28 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Yes, streaming mp3 wirelessly is one thing - not particularly remarkable. It's just that he said he was able to modify (ie overdub or re-record) using the FP80. That's the part I do not understand - especially if, as you suggest, this is not using midi!!
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#2081828 - 05/13/13 10:43 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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I might be missing something but i see only that he is changing the key and the tempo.

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#2081829 - 05/13/13 10:45 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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.....unless it just records you sticking your own contribution on top, and mixes it with the backing track as in karaoke. In which case, he should have said: 'Look, it's got a karaoke function'. But that would have looked kind of Casio wouldn't it?
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#2081837 - 05/13/13 11:02 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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According to the description on roland.com it simply records and plays audio streams with the additional possibility to change the pitch and the speed which can be easily performed on audio data.


Edited by MagicK (05/13/13 11:03 AM)
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#2081849 - 05/13/13 11:25 AM Re: The New Ones: Roland FP-80 & FP-50!!! [Re: Cmin]
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Well then, I can't quite see the point of hooking that up to a keyboard. Why not just do the pitch & speed change inside the phone and plug it into computer monitor speakers?

...which is to ask: What does this do that you can't already do in any computer with a free version of Audacity in it?
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