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#2253441 - 03/28/14 10:05 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
Have a little lift at the back with a little shelf there. Can get a little more angle on the sheet music. Am really liking this setup. Very ergo dynamic.

I'm trying to picture this... do you have a photo?


Originally Posted By: rnaple

I have talked about customizing the curves for more touch. Nice I can do that for now in pianoteq.

They have a Mac version of the editor coming out sometime next month.


Originally Posted By: rnaple

I am finding contrary to the complaint of having to go through turning on a software piano. I leave mine on all the time. With my Mac, even in sleep mode it will play. Can walk up to it anytime and play.

I don't mind setting up the software each time... after waiting two and a half minutes for my Korg Kronos to boot up, its not that much different.


Edited by PianoManChuck (03/28/14 10:15 AM)

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#2253443 - 03/28/14 10:11 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Nicely done Chuck, thanks for posting.

It's good that you commented on how well the Nord pianos play from the VPC1's action too. I'm using a similar setup at home (Kawai MP8II & Nord Elcetro).

Thanks, James. Actually, when I tried the VPC1 to control my Nord Stage 2 (Fazioli piano sample)... WOW! It was like a completely new experience! Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint), that VPC1 is really spoiling me.

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#2253449 - 03/28/14 10:19 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
They have a Mac version of the editor coming out sometime next month.


It should be available on Tuesday. And yes, I did explain to my colleagues that this is April Fools Day...

James
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#2253450 - 03/28/14 10:25 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Nicely done Chuck, thanks for posting.

It's good that you commented on how well the Nord pianos play from the VPC1's action too. I'm using a similar setup at home (Kawai MP8II & Nord Elcetro).

Thanks, James. Actually, when I tried the VPC1 to control my Nord Stage 2 (Fazioli piano sample)... WOW! It was like a completely new experience!


Totally agree!
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#2253476 - 03/28/14 11:18 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple

I am finding contrary to the complaint of having to go through turning on a software piano. I leave mine on all the time. With my Mac, even in sleep mode it will play. Can walk up to it anytime and play.


You can leave your computer in sleep mode, and it can still play the software piano?! How does that work?

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#2253529 - 03/28/14 01:37 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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Great review - thanks for sharing!

I use Pianoteq (windows 7) and leave it 'running'. I just need to turn on the VPC1 wait a couple of seconds and start playing. Only time this doesn't work is if windows has run an update and restarted. mad
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#2253659 - 03/28/14 07:14 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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There! I finally got it! You wanted to see how it's set up? I do feel like putting something at the bottom of the cover of the VPC to stop the papers from sliding down. Sometimes they do. Thinking about it.

On the working with it in sleep mode. I don't know how? It just does?


Edited by rnaple (03/28/14 08:03 PM)
Edit Reason: Doh! (you don't wanna know)
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#2253671 - 03/28/14 07:38 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Nicely done Chuck, thanks for posting.

It's good that you commented on how well the Nord pianos play from the VPC1's action too. I'm using a similar setup at home (Kawai MP8II & Nord Elcetro).

Thanks, James. Actually, when I tried the VPC1 to control my Nord Stage 2 (Fazioli piano sample)... WOW! It was like a completely new experience!


Totally agree!

LOL!! Exact same reaction smile

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#2253688 - 03/28/14 08:15 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Nicely done Chuck, thanks for posting.

It's good that you commented on how well the Nord pianos play from the VPC1's action too. I'm using a similar setup at home (Kawai MP8II & Nord Elcetro).

Thanks, James. Actually, when I tried the VPC1 to control my Nord Stage 2 (Fazioli piano sample)... WOW! It was like a completely new experience!


Totally agree!

LOL!! Exact same reaction smile


Cute how you people flatter the Fatar action on the Nords. smile
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#2253691 - 03/28/14 08:28 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple


There! I finally got it! You wanted to see how it's set up? I do feel like putting something at the bottom of the cover of the VPC to stop the papers from sliding down. Sometimes they do. Thinking about it.

On the working with it in sleep mode. I don't know how? It just does?

Ah... now that I can see it close up, I do like that setup! You have so much more information in front of you than what the music stand provides. Yes, something at the bottom of the cover of the VPC1 would be good to stop the papers from sliding!

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#2253697 - 03/28/14 08:49 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
You have so much more information in front of you than what the music stand provides.


You know what they say.... A clean desktop is the sign of a sick mind.

I've thought about adding a very thin sheet of wood or plastic as a backing for the sheet music. Just keep thinking. Adding...

Also is interesting that the music holder provided is not a big obstruction to the computer monitor when nothing on it. I still prefer it the way I have it in the picture.
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#2255797 - 04/02/14 06:59 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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Chuck, just curious if you get a similar "wow" playing the Kronos piano from the VPC1? smile

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#2256063 - 04/02/14 05:37 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: GWILLY]
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Originally Posted By: GWILLY
Chuck, just curious if you get a similar "wow" playing the Kronos piano from the VPC1? smile

I'm sure I would if I would try it. Unfortunately, the Kronos is at home for a project, while the VPC1 and Nord are here at my office studio. The Nord (Stage 2) is easily transportable. The Kronos and VPC1 are not so easy to transport due to their size & weight.

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#2257054 - 04/05/14 06:43 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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My setup is not nearly as elaborate grin


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#2257106 - 04/05/14 10:18 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Nigeth]
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Originally Posted By: Nigeth
My setup is not nearly as elaborate grin


I like it! Its a lot like my home setup... no distractions, just the keyboards smile

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#2257215 - 04/05/14 02:39 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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I'm not quite satisfied yet. I'd like the Nord to sit even lower but the next step on the K&M stand I use would be lower than the top of the VPC-1 so that's not possible.

I also haven't found a good solution for a music stand yet. The VPC-1 stand is not usable in that setup and I don't really want to pay for the Nord music stand, simply because the price is just ridiculous for that silly piece of metal.

Right now though it's good and clean enough. I like uncluttered spaces.

Not pictured btw is my Mac that's running Pianoteq and Ivory.

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#2257241 - 04/05/14 03:42 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Nigeth]
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Originally Posted By: Nigeth
I'm not quite satisfied yet. I'd like the Nord to sit even lower but the next step on the K&M stand I use would be lower than the top of the VPC-1 so that's not possible.

I also haven't found a good solution for a music stand yet. The VPC-1 stand is not usable in that setup and I don't really want to pay for the Nord music stand, simply because the price is just ridiculous for that silly piece of metal.

Right now though it's good and clean enough. I like uncluttered spaces.

Not pictured btw is my Mac that's running Pianoteq and Ivory.

I agree with you about the price of the Nord music stand - just ridiculous... I won't pay that kind of money for it.
A solution for you would be to put the VPC1 on the upper tier, but then you'd have a hard time with the controls on the Nord.

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#2268973 - 04/30/14 04:04 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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Hello,

I consider to buy a VPC1 as a master keyboard. I plan to play piano, organ and other synth sounds.
Do you think it's a goos idea to use the VPC1 for all style or it's not versatile for all sounds, any better versaltile option maybe ?
Regards

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#2268983 - 04/30/14 05:34 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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I think VPC1 should be considered only for piano, that's what its mechanic is designed for; if you need a more generic Hammer action weighted master look at other options, for example the new Viscount Physis Piano K4 and K5


Edited by Maxpiano (04/30/14 05:35 AM)
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#2275998 - 05/14/14 03:43 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Maxpiano]
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any cheaper option maybe ?

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#2276070 - 05/14/14 07:09 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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Casio PX-5S is pretty versatile and affordable at $999. For the same price as the VPC1 you can get the new Kawai MP7 which seems to be a great DP.
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#2276074 - 05/14/14 07:16 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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Yes, the MP7 would be an interesting master keyboard alternative to the VPC1.

For pure piano playing, the VPC1 is very difficult to beat, however for broader MIDI control over a range of different instruments, a stage piano such as the MP7 is arguably the better choice.

Aside from Kawai, the Casio PX-5S represents excellent value for money, with lots of great sounds and stage piano features. There are also lots of 'controller only' products available from Studiologic, M-Audio, CME, etc.

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#2280385 - 05/24/14 03:18 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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I bought myself a K&M Omega stand for my VPC. That should make James happy. smile
I also bought a 40 inch TV (computer monitor). Will post pictures when I got it done.

Basically just reorganizing and ridding the place of clutter. Probably the result of finally working in a System of learning piano that places much importance on the mind. Keeping organized, clear, thought out. A System that doesn't skip any steps in learning. So I'm not passing on this step.

Again... will add pictures to this post when I get this stuff here and the place done.
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#2280729 - 05/25/14 04:57 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Alba]
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Does anyone have a recommendation for a cover for the VPC-1. Right now I don't have one but I also don't want it to get too dusty.

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#2280761 - 05/25/14 08:20 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Nigeth]
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Originally Posted By: Nigeth
Does anyone have a recommendation for a cover for the VPC-1. Right now I don't have one but I also don't want it to get too dusty.


I purchased this and it works nicely:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-88-key-stretchy-keyboard-cover
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#2280792 - 05/25/14 11:09 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Nigeth
Does anyone have a recommendation for a cover for the VPC-1. Right now I don't have one but I also don't want it to get too dusty.


I purchased this and it works nicely:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gator-88-key-stretchy-keyboard-cover


I use this exact Gator cover as well on both my boards. Great cover. You can pull cord for snug custom-like fit. It's like Spanx for your keyboard wink
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#2288803 - 06/12/14 07:03 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
... will add pictures to this post when I get this stuff here and the place done.


I'm still doing this. Expanded on what I had planned.
In doing so. I have my monitors placed perfectly for the room and "listening" position. One thing has surprised me with the Ivory. The imaging places the sound from the strings down low. As if the sound is literally coming from strings extending beyond, and in front of my VPC. Imaging wise, it's gives the impression there is an actual Grand piano there.
The sound keeps getting better as I set this place up properly for "listening". Still have to put together some trap panels for reflections. Also have plans for some soffit traps. The plan is that my playing position on the VPC is also my listening position. It is the place I can do mixing from. The VPC and it's top make this good to do. A small desktop so to speak.
This is shaping up to me a much more impressive sound than I had ever thought a software piano would have. I'll experiment some with pianoteq. Everything is sounding much better.
I"m not sure at what point I'll post pictures. Right now it's all shaping up to look really good. Kinda embarrassing. I is just poor folk. smile
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#2289010 - 06/12/14 06:25 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
Originally Posted By: rnaple
... will add pictures to this post when I get this stuff here and the place done.


I'm still doing this. Expanded on what I had planned.
In doing so. I have my monitors placed perfectly for the room and "listening" position. One thing has surprised me with the Ivory. The imaging places the sound from the strings down low. As if the sound is literally coming from strings extending beyond, and in front of my VPC. Imaging wise, it's gives the impression there is an actual Grand piano there.
The sound keeps getting better as I set this place up properly for "listening". Still have to put together some trap panels for reflections. Also have plans for some soffit traps. The plan is that my playing position on the VPC is also my listening position. It is the place I can do mixing from. The VPC and it's top make this good to do. A small desktop so to speak.
This is shaping up to me a much more impressive sound than I had ever thought a software piano would have. I'll experiment some with pianoteq. Everything is sounding much better.
I"m not sure at what point I'll post pictures. Right now it's all shaping up to look really good. Kinda embarrassing. I is just poor folk. smile


I would love to see this. I am planning on putting my vpc1 under my flat screen when I move. I want to share a sound system and htpc between the two, but have no idea if it'll look good or not!
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#2289206 - 06/13/14 03:21 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: newbies]
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I would love to see this. I am planning on putting my vpc1 under my flat screen when I move. I want to share a sound system and htpc between the two, but have no idea if it'll look good or not!


Ok....maybe this will save me the embarrassment of posting when it's done. This is from the very back of this room.

I will have 2x2 foot soffit traps from floor to ceiling in both front corners. Also one in a corner in the back of the room. Will have three traps to each side and on ceiling around piano to take out early reflections. They are bad right now. Will probably just put the other three panels in the window then close drapes and vertical blinds when I want it real good. (Only at night...plants need light) Waiting on this stuff to arrive now.
Just received the monitor stands. If you notice. I haven't adjusted them for the uneven floor yet. Don't have my good monitors on there either. Only put them up when I want really good. These monitors are probably 90% of the good ones.
I have sixty dollars worth of black fleece I plan to put on tables and the box under the window.
As you see. The computer is still out and not in that box under the window yet. I haven't received the long USB cable yet.

EDIT: If you look at earlier pictures I have in this thread. The piano is now where there was an exercise floor. The floor is in the first bedroom. That room is devoted to that now.

EDIT2: Due to the cheap camera lens. (I is poor folk) Things farther away look smaller. So the TV appears smaller than in reality. It's a 40 incher. Plenty big. Works perfectly above my music stand when playing.

EDIT3: Forgot to say. The soffit traps. They are for bass. This room has wall to wall carpet. That knocks down the highs while not doing much at all for the bass. Trapping the bass reflections does much to even out the sound. Even increases the actual bass. Gets rid of any hint of that boomy box rap like bass sound.



Edited by rnaple (06/13/14 04:11 AM)
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#2289218 - 06/13/14 04:05 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 [Re: rnaple]
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Things usually do look smaller when further away . . grin but a 40 inch screen looks nice . . .and you can roll around the room on that wheely seat whilst admiring the Doppler effect of the music you just played and recorded . . .
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