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#2081484 - 05/12/13 05:21 PM Is digital piano a marketing term?
pianolover85 Offline
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Well...As someone new to piano I am a bit puzzled by this...When people think about piano they usually associate it with grand and upright acoustic ones, and then there are keyboards that are mainly connected to the 80's dance and electronic scene...

As someone interested in piano, I am not into weird effects and electronized (is it a word?) music. It has its place for sure, but I want to keep piano learning as authentic as possible.

So is there a difference between a digital piano and a keyboard?
Since I am a beginner, buying a grand might not be very wise and I'm thinking buying a digital piano...but I want something with weighed keys without all the gimmicky sounds...

Is there any specific model you would suggest? in the 300 range...after tax it would almost cost 400!

Thanks for your time
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#2081499 - 05/12/13 06:03 PM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
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Yes a DP is different from a keyboard and also a synth or workstation, but there are overlaps. So it depends what type of music, amongst others, to make your choice, as tone generation, key actions, portability and programmability all vary between instruments.

300 what? Rupees, pounds, dollars(US, AUS, ...), renminbi, yen ... ? Casio tend to have the greatest variety in budget value DP's, but Yamaha and Korg are there too.

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#2081577 - 05/12/13 08:30 PM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: spanishbuddha]
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I apologize for not specifying the currency but it is Canadian Dollar which is more or less on par with US Dollar in terms of value.

My musical style is pop, rock, and blues...and I hate cheesy effects.

Hope this helps
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#2081582 - 05/12/13 08:54 PM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
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A DP is has weighted keys (usually with hammers and other mechanical devices to mimic the action of a piano). In my opinion, the four or so major brands do a pretty good job with their mid-range to upper range keyboards. Yamaha, Kawai, Casio & Roland. They all have different qualities, though, and each has its genuine fans on this board.

A DP will also probably have a superior piano sample set (and fair to mediocre, but very usable, sounds in addition). Roland and Casio give more sounds, usually.

As Spanish Buddha said, Casio offers about the best value in the lower (c. 500) range. Also Yamaha do some good entry level pianos: P105, maybe.

What do you mean by 'cheesy effects'? Piano layered with strings, perhaps?
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#2081603 - 05/12/13 10:03 PM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: toddy]
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Yes. Thank you. I will check those out. What I mean by cheesy effects are those backing tracks, layered sound, and organ....making the keys sound like guitar strings.

I will check out the YAMAHA you mentioned.


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#2081673 - 05/13/13 02:38 AM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
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The lowest-cost solution for you might be a Casio PX-135. A few weeks ago, they were being sold at some Canadian Costco stores for around $400, with "furniture stand", pedals, and bench.

It doesn't have a lot of voices, the keyboard is weighted (not "synth style"), the piano sounds aren't bad. Both the keyboard action and sound generator are one 'generation' old, in the Casio line.

It's not as good (IMHO) as a PX-150, but it's less expensive.

A note:

As with most (all?) inexpensive digital pianos, the built-in loudspeakers on the PX-135 are too small to accurately reproduce the tonal range. If you're testing _any_ digital piano, bring a pair of good headphones.

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#2082193 - 05/14/13 12:16 AM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: Charles Cohen]
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Thanks Charles...I ll check it out...maybe even save and practice at the local library for while to buy a good one...

Also do you have any good music theory book/ website (paid) that you'd suggest?



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#2082203 - 05/14/13 12:48 AM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Originally Posted By: pianolover85

Also do you have any good music theory book/ website (paid) that you'd suggest?


I learned my theory "pre-Internet", and my books are long gone. I don't know how much you know. I once Googled:

. . . how to play a lead sheet

and got quite a few useful hits.

I've been working through Tim Richards' "Improvising Blues Piano", and there's a fair bit of theory instruction in it. His two books "Exploring Jazz Piano" have even more.

That might be a good place to start. Check the library; they're about $25 each. Well worth the cost if you like them.

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#2082261 - 05/14/13 03:34 AM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
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Originally Posted By: pianolover85
What I mean by cheesy effects are those backing tracks, layered sound, and organ....making the keys sound like guitar strings.


Hey easy now, remember you're talking to a mixed crowd here. Some of us enjoy that kind of thing. wink Well, I'm not much of an organist or keyboarding guitarist (or is it guitar'ing keyboardist?), but I do love me some orchestral sounds, and I layer the heck out of them.

But yes, a DP is its own animal focused mostly around piano, but maybe with a few extra sounds built in. Generally found with 88 weighted hammer-action keys, but sometimes less (and there's also a semi-weighted variety - usually on the smaller 'boards).

Synthesizers and workstations can also have 88 weighted or semi-weighted keys (usually non hammer-action), but piano won't be the primary focus -- though some do have very decent pianos. Synths "synthesize" sounds (as in create their own or edit existing ones) which can range from synthetic 80's/disco sounds to multitimbral orchestral emulations. Workstations do all this plus add in sequencing (recording songs or arrangements) and sampling (recording outside sounds aka car horn, voice, etc). Your "all-in-one" machine, if you will. Jack of all trades, master of some.

"Keyboard" is kind of the unofficial name for a (usually) 61-key unweighted board which will have internal sounds and may or may not have synthesizing capability. These range from Wal*Mart toys to $1,500 synths. It's kind of the "catch-all" term.


Edited by LesCharles73 (05/14/13 03:38 AM)
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#2082839 - 05/15/13 12:43 AM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
priv Offline
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Actually by definition, anything with black and white keys similar to piano's is an keyboard instrument. If you just say "keyboard", it is a very vague term.

For digital keyboard instruments, different names may be marketing terms, but I would not count digital piano as one of them.

From the name, digital piano is the digital replica of an acoustic piano. It must have 88 weighted keys and (decent) piano sounds, which you may not find on all the other types of keyboards.

Since I can see you're not interested in other type of keyboards, it is not necessary to explain too much on them.


Edited by priv (05/15/13 12:44 AM)

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#2083861 - 05/16/13 10:43 PM Re: Is digital piano a marketing term? [Re: pianolover85]
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Sorry Everyone...I did not mean to offend anybody smile Sincerely apologize for that...
Thanks for all your perspectives...I actually saw a Roland the other day in store...It was $1900 (Canadian). Very classy! But first I've got to get to Alfred's level 3 and have some songs under my belt before that purchase.
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