Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
154 registered (ando, anamnesis, accordeur, Albunea, 40 invisible), 1519 Guests and 13 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Topic Options
#2082415 - 05/14/13 11:51 AM Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube
im@me Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/21/12
Posts: 68
I am playing this transcription and am progressing reasonably well actually, apart from bar 5 where I have absolutely no idea how to finger it, imslp link here: http://imslp.org/wiki/Arabesken_%C3%BCber_%27An_der_sch%C3%B6nen_blauen_Donau%27_von_Johann_Strauss_%28Schulz-Evler,_Adolf%29 any suggestions welcome
thanks in advance

Top
Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
#2082639 - 05/14/13 07:41 PM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: im@me]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 20223
Loc: New York
I'll help you out. But first you have to help us a little better to help you out!

What fingering(s) do you think of? What fingering(s) have you tried? I'm assuming that anyone who's able to even think of playing this piece would have some ideas. So yeah, I'm assuming you don't mean it literally that you have no idea. In fact, I know that someone able to play the piece at all would have some ideas.

How about telling us what you've thought of and tried, and what you don't like about them. Then we can answer you better. smile

BTW, I've played the piece and I usually just left out that whole intro except the very end. grin
That's what Josef Lhevinne did in his great recording of the piece. In his piano roll (as opposed to the real recording) he plays the whole thing (except for a part in the middle that he leaves out on both of them -- wisely IMO).

Top
#2082647 - 05/14/13 07:52 PM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: im@me]
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 18822
Loc: Victoria, BC
PW's member Jeffrey Biegel has a recording of this on Youtube which can stand up against any I have heard. I've said before, and will say again : ease and fluency with just the right touch of Viennese schmaltz!

Biegel plays Schulz-Evler "Concert Arabesques"

Regards,
_________________________
BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190

Top
#2082926 - 05/15/13 06:13 AM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: BruceD]
JBiegel Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 851
Thanks BruceD--that's quite a compliment--and accepted! Although I have recorded the 'Blue Danube' for PianoDisc, and it is also on my 1997 internet recital cd, cyberecital.com, it had to be on this new Steinway & Sons release. Hope everyone at PW will have a chance to enjoy the new recording. (A Grand Romance)
_________________________
www.jeffreybiegel.com

Top
#2083045 - 05/15/13 11:09 AM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: im@me]
im@me Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/21/12
Posts: 68
I have tried many, my favorite being sliding from the A to the G with finger 4, or starting on the finger 2 and moving over, another solution is cheating as Earl Wild seems to and play a B natural, and by the way, Jeffery I really enjoy your playing just listening through it.

Top
#2083268 - 05/15/13 06:38 PM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: im@me]
JBiegel Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 851
Thanks so much!!
_________________________
www.jeffreybiegel.com

Top
#2083389 - 05/15/13 11:16 PM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: im@me]
Mark_C Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 20223
Loc: New York
Jeffrey: I echo the above, and great to see you as always! thumb

Originally Posted By: im@me
I have tried many, my favorite being sliding from the A to the G with finger 4, or starting on the finger 2 and moving over, another solution is cheating as Earl Wild seems to and play a B natural....

Im@me, indeed that's tricky, but really the whole intro is tricky and I don't see that this is any trickier than the rest. Also I don't think B-natural makes it any easier, and if Wild played it that way, I think we can be quite sure it was either a musical choice or a mistake of reading, not something to make it easier.

Anyway....there are two fingerings marked in my edition (Carl Fischer). The main one is just the most straightforward fingering:
124345 432432

It also suggests:
124313 213432 -- and that's what I used, when I played the intro at all, which, as I said, I usually didn't, and not just because it's so hard.

Did you not think of these fingerings? (Neither one is that terribly out of the way.)
If you just considered them not doable, why not?


BTW, Lhevinne, besides leaving out almost the whole intro on that recording and also leaving out one of the themes, also shortens the "poco a poco crescendo" section of the coda, which to me is a huge improvement. (Or, as Huneker or somebody said about shortening the recap of Chopin's 1st Scherzo, "the gainer thereby." That always struck me as a nice and useful phrase, although I've never seen it elsewhere, before or since.) smile
As Schulz-Evler has that passage, IMO it's a near-ridiculous PDQ-Bach-ish endless sequence. (Jeffrey, apologies to you grin -- I see that you play it as written.) Lhevinne cuts more to the chase, and to me it works great.

Top
#2083415 - 05/15/13 11:56 PM Re: Schulz evler arabeske on the blue danube [Re: im@me]
BDB Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 22586
Loc: Oakland
I read somewhere that Lhevinne decided, undoubtedly between the time of his piano roll and his Victor recording, that the introduction was old-fashioned, which is why he left it off the latter recording.
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
(ad) Teaching Music To Children
Teaching Music to Children
(ad) Yamaha Stage Pianos
Yamaha CP4 & CP40 Stage Pianos
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
PianoDisc
Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
Composer Statuettes
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
New acoustic grand in the Nord Piano Library
by maurus
Today at 02:07 PM
Do all national piano movers have bad reviews?
by inkybrown
Today at 01:38 PM
Looking for Steinway 90776
by Peter Adamson
Today at 01:18 PM
I need an easy theory book
by mom3gram
Today at 01:09 PM
Bach Two Part Inventions
by Isabelle1949
Today at 12:41 PM
What's Hot!!
New Forum for Selling Your Products or Services
--------------------
Historic Piano Documents
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Forum Stats
79,852 Registered Members
44 Forums
165,216 Topics
2,422,929 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission