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#2082370 - 05/14/13 10:48 AM Questions about Casio Celvianos...
bgrubb Offline
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Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 3
We've been shopping for a Digital piano for our daughter. She plays Clavinovas at school & lessons and loves them, but they are way out of our price range.

We've been looking at the PX-850 and the Celviano line on the web... reading all of the reviews (good and bad) and reading tons of threads around here. The AP-650 seems like a poor man's Clavinova. Overall quality and sound not up to snuff with the Yamaha's, But I know my daughter will enjoy all of the bells & whistles that she would not otherwise get on another sub $1500 DP. The problem is that there are no dealers anywhere near us that actually have the Casios on their floor and I hate to buy anything I can't try first...

The closest thing I could find was a PX-350 at GuitarCenter (the only Casio dealer in our area). We were fine with the overall keyboard action and thought it played fine, so we're comfortable with the overall play and sound of the Casios. However, I couldn't get past the keys themselves... I am not a fan of the fake woodgrain & texture on the keys. It just looked cheap and plastic like... we much preferred the smooth matte keys on the Yamaha P-105 keyboard.

We established that the PX-850 has the exact same keys as the PX-350, but they couldn't tell us anything about the Celvianos. Do the AP-450 & AP-650 share the same textured keys as a PX-350? How about the AP-620? Those things are all over the web right now for $1000...

Thanks all!

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#2082384 - 05/14/13 11:11 AM Re: Questions about Casio Celvianos... [Re: bgrubb]
JFP Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 1336
Loc: The Netherlands
Whole x50 range same keys (and finish) ; although this same keybed may have a different feel in a different cabinet. My experience is that it feels more firm and stable in the PX850 than the PX150.

I wouldn't care too much about the 'fake' ivory look of the keys , but purely concentrate on how they feel. I think the current Casio keys are pretty good overall and certainly better than in the x20 series.

The only thing I 'worry' about a bit is how long they stay that way in comparison to the more expensive and heavier Yamaha, Roland, Kawai keybeds . Meaning how well will they still function after a longer period of intensive use, or will they develop small or larger annoyances , like sideway moving keys, gaps between keys, clicking keys etc. After all the keybed design is focussed on being very lightweight , so how sturdy and strong is it and can it cope with continuos (ab)use...

To conclude : sound wise and keybed wise the x20 is a step back from the current x50 series. I wouldn't advise such a move.

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#2082492 - 05/14/13 02:44 PM Re: Questions about Casio Celvianos... [Re: JFP]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 1184
Loc: Richmond, BC, Canada
Quote:

I wouldn't care too much about the 'fake' ivory look of the keys , but purely concentrate on how they feel. I think the current Casio keys are pretty good overall and certainly better than in the x20 series.


+1.

It'll take about 5 minutes to get used to the textured keytops. After 5 months, mine still look clean.

If you're constrained by budget, the PX-350 (or its console cousins) are hard to beat. I saw a comment, here, that the PX-850 costs about as much as a PX-350 with triple pedal and "furniture" stand. Which makes it a very good deal.

. Charles

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#2082540 - 05/14/13 04:21 PM Re: Questions about Casio Celvianos... [Re: bgrubb]
bgrubb Offline
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Registered: 05/13/13
Posts: 3
Yes, we will definitely be considering the PX-850. My wife, much prefers the Celviano simply because its cabnitery will look better in our dining room. The textured keys bother me more than they will my daughter, and she's the one that will be playing it... I guess I can get used to it...

JFP (or anyone else for that matter...) can you elaborate on the AP-620 being a "step back"? I know that there are some sound engine differences between the x20 and the x50, but is the x50 keyboard/action itself that much of an upgrade over the x20?

I am having a ridiculously hard time finding AP-650 anywhere near Central Illinois, but I can get a AP-620 from Costco or Guitar Center, where I can always return if we're not happy with it. I'm thinking of rolling the dice with the AP-620 or the PX-850 as both are right around $1000.

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#2082598 - 05/14/13 06:08 PM Re: Questions about Casio Celvianos... [Re: bgrubb]
galaxy4t Offline
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Registered: 08/28/08
Posts: 852
Loc: Lakewood, CA
I wouldn't say that the AP-650 blows the AP-620 away by any stretch of the imagination. The 650 replaces the 620 and adds more nice features like the lid simulator, string resonance, improved action, and longer sustain of the piano sample. Casio did resample the acoustic piano sound, but it used the same piano so the sound isn't radically different. I think you will find the other instrument sounds, rhythms, and accompaniment to be the same as on the 620. The ivory coated keys are different on the 620 without the heavier texture. As far as the overall touch, I doubt they are that much different. I haven't spent a lot of time playing the PX-X50 series yet, but I thought they feel similar. Keep in mind, you'll get a 3 year warranty on either piano if you register your product on the Casio website. Looks like Casio is trying to sell the Celviano through a dealer network, but it doesn't appear they are widely available for purchase at this time.

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#2082659 - 05/14/13 08:26 PM Re: Questions about Casio Celvianos... [Re: bgrubb]
PianoWorksATL Offline
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Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2692
Loc: Atlanta, GA
The clearance pricing on the AP-620's are phenomenal while they last. But yes the AP-650 is a large step up. Side by side, the action is the biggest difference IMO. The more heavily textured keys isn't important to me but the action is...and it is better. The piano sounds are more defined which is to say if you like the sounds on the AP-620, you would probably like the 650 more.

Casio previously set up dealer locator tools to help customers. So long as the previous Celviano models are available, those locator tools cannot distinguish between the dealers for new and the larger network of MI dealers for the previous models. In time, I hope they can make that distinction. I'm almost out of 620's, but since the x50's arrived, I don't think I've only sold any 620's and only one 420 despite the price difference. When they choose Celviano, everyone chooses the new models.

We've recently reduced our in-store price to rock bottom in hopes of clearing them out, but we're not Amazon.
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