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#2082980 - 05/15/13 08:40 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
I have to say the method for finding scales is very very interesting. I'll try and post a version 500 Miles in a few days.
smile Yeah, it is isn't it?!?
Btw, are you going to do the 6-scales? Submission due in 1 day 9 hours. (500 miles due in 1 week, 2 days)


Edited by chrisbell (05/15/13 08:42 AM)
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#2082989 - 05/15/13 08:48 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Week 2, kind of done in a rush but I know I won't have time:
http://snd.sc/10pv7Ww

LW, you can find some very simple LH patterns in there.
A good pattern would be to play just the root on 1 and hold it for 4 beats. I found the tricky part with these was to maintain the tonality and not gravitate towards the 1st mode. For example, A lydian dominant feels like an E- scale. So playing the A in the bottom really helps.

This would be much harder for a horn player with no harmony under.

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#2083028 - 05/15/13 10:47 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Week 2, kind of done in a rush but I know I won't have time:
http://snd.sc/10pv7Ww
Groovy!
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#2083085 - 05/15/13 12:56 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Thanks Chris.
I didn't even listen to it smile

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#2083111 - 05/15/13 01:56 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: knotty]
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Really nice. I like how you gave his "brightest" of all scales, Lydian, a brighter rhythmic treatment, and his "darkest" of all scales, Locrian, a pensive treatment. Cool
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#2083166 - 05/15/13 03:22 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Wow awesome knotty.

What I hear from you guys, you can make any scale sound really jazzy. I mean I can make the blues scale sound blues.. by just playing the notes lol.. but no way I can make like the C Major scale sound "jazzy".
I think this has to do with the articulation... In general the accents have to be on the "and"? So on the 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and.

But it seems you guys have also a certain way to play the notes like staccato or something.

I find the articulation part very hard.

Originally Posted By: knotty

LW, you can find some very simple LH patterns in there.
A good pattern would be to play just the root on 1 and hold it for 4 beats. I found the tricky part with these was to maintain the tonality and not gravitate towards the 1st mode. For example, A lydian dominant feels like an E- scale. So playing the A in the bottom really helps.

This would be much harder for a horn player with no harmony under.


Yeah that's nice. I tried something like the vamps from Dave Frank's lessons. Seems to work.. maybe I'll post mine here lol.. if I got the confidence hah!


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#2083197 - 05/15/13 04:21 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Thanks ken. Nice of you to comment.

Lw,
Articulation is key. In my view, it's 100 more important than scales and notes. If a guy is blowing on complicated scales, most people won't know.
If you screw up the rythm you will sound like an amateur after just 1 measure.
If burton doesn't get into it, I can share my thoughts later.

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#2083235 - 05/15/13 05:31 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Articulation is key. In my view, it's 100 more important than scales and notes. If a guy is blowing on complicated scales, most people won't know. If you screw up the rhythm you will sound like an amateur after just 1 measure.
Amen to that.
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#2083263 - 05/15/13 06:29 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Week 2, kind of done in a rush but I know I won't have time:
http://snd.sc/10pv7Ww



A high distinction for you Knotty.

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#2083276 - 05/15/13 07:02 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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blush I gotta listen to those recordings. You all are so kind with me.

But I'm really looking forward to 500 mile high. I'm starting to like GB's approach.

I had developed a method for memorizing tunes, mostly based on ear. So far I've memorized a little bit under 100 tunes. But now I realize there's a whole other layer to it, which is picking scales based on those rules.
So for example, take a tune like Cherokee. Really the whole A section is one big Bb pentatonic scale. I don't think there's a single note in there outside. So that's how I came to memorize it. Once you know that, memorizing the melody is super easy. And the harmony is pretty standard. I don't think I will go back and think all those modes.

But my ear method is weak on tunes that use non traditional harmonies, because it is difficult to hear. So for tunes like Prince of Darkness, which will wipe me in a second, I think it will really help.

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#2083629 - 05/16/13 10:52 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Well since I didn't have much time this week... I tried to learn the scales and record/submit something today... well it's not much compared to you guys but well, I'll just post it.. maybe it just motivates others to record an post here laugh (finger and rhythm mistakes included! lol)

https://soundcloud.com/scott-fr-d-ric/6-scales-exercise


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#2083781 - 05/16/13 05:53 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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lw,
thats nicely done. one thing is I think you are supposed to start playing the scale straight up, and that helps us hear the improv that comea after, but its a detail.
I think you will enjoy week 3 also.

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#2083983 - 05/17/13 03:49 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Thanks for you reply, yes I think that would make it more clear.. bit rushed the assignment. Today I'll check the week 3 vids let's see what this week is about smile

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#2084046 - 05/17/13 08:07 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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LW,
one easy tip to sound better. The most important note of a phrase is the last one. Hold it and let it ring. On occasion, it's ok to play it short, but generally, hold that last note like you meant it.

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#2084162 - 05/17/13 12:54 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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500 Mile high on a lunch break... I get a bit surprised by the ending :-)

http://snd.sc/13t6Soe

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#2084181 - 05/17/13 01:42 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Not bad Knotty! Very smooth. Like the end of chorus 3 sequence . . . Yeah the ending is on the Cm7.

And now, some inspiration. From the horses mouth: http://soundcloud.com/chickcorea/grammy-500-miles-high
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#2084392 - 05/17/13 07:37 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Was listening to rtf this afternoon and its just incredible the control and flow these guys have

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#2084549 - 05/18/13 04:00 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Yeah those first two albums, Return to Forever and Light as a Feather are jazz classics!
The playing, as you write, is absolutely stupendously groovy; the Rhodes has never sounded better.

Oh man, the 70's; Return to Forever, Herbie with the Headhunters, Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Keith Jarrett's american and european quartets - no wonder I'm still "stuck" there.
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#2084798 - 05/18/13 02:44 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Knotty, very nice playing on 500 Miles High! I want to play like you!

Just finished recording my own assignment for 500 miles:

https://soundcloud.com/elkayem/500-miles-high

I feel a little better about this one than I did about my "What is this thing called love" recording, though clearly have a ways to go before I sound like a pro. The tempo (140) is better for me. Feedback and helpful tips welcome.
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#2084859 - 05/18/13 05:31 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Elkayem]
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Knotty - Man, That sounded right on and so so fluid! Amazing that you can just pump that out on a lunch break.

Elkayem - Really nice head on that version. I think you have the same problem as me on this one - getting lost in the form the more verses you go in the solo. Nothing that more practicing wouldn't solve (if we had the time).

Here is my first attempt -

Ken's attempt at 500 Miles High
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#2084960 - 05/18/13 10:00 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Ken, your take has a very nice laid back feel to it. I think I'll go pour myself a glass of wine, sit by the fire, and listen again.

Glad you liked how I approached the head on that. Sometimes simple is the best, at least for me at this point. Three solo choruses is almost too many for me, especially when I'm aware the mic is on and I have to keep "performing". I definitely lost the form in that recording a few times. I've done a few more takes since then, but each has its highlights and blemishes so I think I'll just keep the first take. I also need to improve at "telling my story" as Gary told us in his first lecture, otherwise it can sound aimless.

I'm going to miss this course when it's done. Only 2 more left. frown Maybe I'll sign up for the 12 week version...
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#2085109 - 05/19/13 08:19 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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yeah Elkayem,
I agree your head was spot on, very much in the pocket. one thing that might help you not get lost in the form is playing those scales straigjt up and down a few times. I think even Gary says to do that.
also to stay in the pocket like you were you can play shorter phrases but use mostly 8th notes.

Nice job also Ken. wathc those hits marked on the sheet on the Cm7.
Realize that this tune is tricky because it has 2 extra measures at the end so our hear gets confused. nothing a little singing can't solve!

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#2085161 - 05/19/13 11:27 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Thanks Knotty.

Rhythm has always been one of my areas area that needs attention, so when you use hip terms like "in the pocket" to describe my playing I think I must be doing something right. As the tune goes on, I definitely lose that "in the pocket" feeling a number of times as I struggle to create original lines. Shorter phrases, definitely. Something about Latin tunes makes me want to create these continuous melodies, so I should try to willfully break that.

I am realizing that I may not understand what you or Ken mean be "lost in the form". I never lost my place (I do in AABA tunes sometimes when I forget if the bridge is coming), at least I don't think I did. I definitely did hit a few wrong notes in there. Or maybe you were referring to my rhythm? I need to go back and listen to my recording again...
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#2085256 - 05/19/13 03:12 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Elkayem]
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Originally Posted By: Elkayem


I am realizing that I may not understand what you or Ken mean be "lost in the form". I never lost my place (I do in AABA tunes sometimes when I forget if the bridge is coming), at least I don't think I did. I definitely did hit a few wrong notes in there. Or maybe you were referring to my rhythm? I need to go back and listen to my recording again...


Not completely lost, but the change comes in late or awkwardly since there is more mental trying to remember where we are in the tune rather than having it on auto-pilot.

In my case, at the end of the last chorus, rather than change late, I literally just bailed on a LH voicing hoping that nobody would notice, and hit the change correctly on the RH. If I were locked in on the form, I wouldn't have that miss.
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#2085370 - 05/19/13 06:51 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Hi Ken, ok I understand now and can buy that. That gives me something to go back and listen to. One of the good things about this course is that it forces me to record and listen to my own recordings, warts and all. I see from your blog you've been doing that for years, and yes you've been an inspiration to me that it isn't too late to take on this art.
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#2085381 - 05/19/13 07:35 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Elkayem]
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I also saw what Knotty was saying about missing the marked hits hits on the Cm7. I went back and fixed those. Thanks!
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#2086598 - 05/22/13 06:26 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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#2086605 - 05/22/13 07:08 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Super job on the head chris. That was a nice arrangement.
I also like the bluesy effect in the 3rd chorus.

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#2086676 - 05/22/13 09:36 AM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Super job on the head chris. That was a nice arrangement.
I also like the bluesy effect in the 3rd chorus.
Thanks K. It was a b.... of a tempo to play to . . I would have loved for it to be faster.
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#2086809 - 05/22/13 01:14 PM Re: Berklee improvisation course on Coursera [Re: Veelo]
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Another lunch break take. Probably I will submit this one. I wish I had the courage and energy to write and work on an arrangement like you did.

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