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#2083673 - 05/16/13 12:49 PM jazz type song that i made
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www.soundcloud.com/jamesjasper/wise-demo

I'm honestly not sure where to post this. If someone can direct me to another forum more oriented toward this type of music I would appreciate it.

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#2083911 - 05/17/13 12:27 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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Originally Posted By: rakim
jazz type song that i made

You have such a way with words . . .
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#2084090 - 05/17/13 09:47 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: LoPresti]
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i didn't know what category to put it in, so it's a "jazz type."

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#2084153 - 05/17/13 12:34 PM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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Typically, if I “make” a piece of music, I have done one or more of the following:
composed
written
arranged
scored
harmonized
compiled
improvised
transcribed
transposed
varied
invented
conceptualized
recorded
developed
published
. . . etc., etc

What, exactly, do you want us to do with this music you have “made”?
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#2084338 - 05/17/13 05:45 PM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: LoPresti]
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buddy, you can call it whatever you want, made or created would apply just as well. you can listen to it or you can not listen to it. i figure since it's all done on a keyboard and has a keyboard solo why not post it here in the non-classical section since it's clearly not classical? if it doesn't get much attention here than fine, what do i care, just don't respond then.

first response and i'm already being baited into an argument based on technicalities and vocab. good luck with the whole "destroying your own community" thing. i try to greet people with a more friendly manner but do as you wish, i guess.

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#2084509 - 05/18/13 01:08 AM jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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Rakim,

I regret that we got off on the proverbial “wrong foot”, but I am truly relieved that you still consider me your “buddy”!

I also feel close to you, because you are from New England, and I am from New York. Some may argue, but many of us believe that New York AND New England, together, form sort of an intellectual “pocket” in the United States. Intellectual, and musical, really, with fine universities, incredible conservatories, and stupendous symphony orchestras. Several of my other “buddies” are both intellectual AND musical.

On the subject of musical, I see that you have a few posts on these Forums to your credit, so you undoubtedly know that this is a musical Forum. As such, it is customary to use musical terms to more closely describe what you have done. I like your second suggestion of “created”, ie: Jazz type song that I created
I probably should point out that all songs have lyrics -- but, of course, you knew that. We can only presume that you will be adding words at some later date.

Lastly, considering that we both are from this geographically concentrated pocket of intellect and music, I find it surprising that you do not seem to capitalize, even your personal pronoun, when writing your ideas. At first I thought it was simply a typo in your title of the thread. I hope this observation does not put any further strain on our relationship as buddies.

And I am still not certain what you want us to do with your “song”. Simply listen to it, I suppose?
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#2084639 - 05/18/13 09:51 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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rakeem! i just listened to the whole track. it's got a very nice musical sense to it. it's simple, very simple. but at the same time as each new synth sound enters, it sounds like there's some growth and forward motion. and the chords and the melody and the underlying drum and bass track all work together.

so that's all something to keep and think about and to work more with if you choose to do more of these kinds of things. but, really, best of all is just keep doing it. composers learn to compose by composing and over time you'll collect assorted advice and what not and over time you'll find your tastes broadening and growing and you'll just naturally move forward.

in terms of the texture of the track as a whole, some of the synth sounds pop out and and they're mixed in at a good level. some, in particular the ones that resemble string sounds, are getting lost in the mix. it may be that you like it that way - or it sounds good on your system but it didn't translate to the recording on sound cloud that i'm now playing back on my computer. if you're looking for suggestions about how to improve what you have, then listening to the mix more closely and critically and adjusting levels is definitely a step worth taking. those adjustments could be to level. they could include placement within a stereo field. depending on what you're working with, you might want to help the string-like sounds stay out of the general frequency range of other other sounds that are obscure them. but read this all in the spirit in which it's offered: as helpful suggestions. in fact, if you make some changes that you think are significant, why not just post a new recording and see if anyone's following your progress?

whether or not anyone wants to call the recording jazz, well who knows? if you want to call it jazz and if you want to question your choices at the same time you might go and listen to more jazz. then decide where you think where your recording falls in the spectrum to which you've been listening. having some sense of how to describe it's place in a larger cross-section of music will help you to explain what you're doing to others. but listeners will also hear your music and have their own reaction. and you've got your own reasons for creating it as you did.

i hope this is all reading in the spirit that it's meant: as friendly advice to help you move to a new place from where you are. but, in the end, the choice of whether or not to move is yours and and yours alone. i'm saying this because you COULD take advice that you receive. or you COULD follow that inner voice that led you to post the recording in the first place. or you COULD let advice mingle with your inner voice. or you COULD ... !!!! i think you see what i mean.



Edited by printer1 (05/18/13 09:54 AM)

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#2084940 - 05/18/13 09:04 PM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: printer1]
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@printer1. thanks for that. that was very thorough. I had a feeling the sound you're referring to would get lost a bit, it sounded so harsh when i had it up higher though. you have to step away from a mix for a few days and come back to it in order to get it mixed properly. my plan is to keep making things and then release a free amateur album of some sort and with that i would elaborate on this song, making it longer and mixing it properly (vocals maybe, depending on if it fits and if i can decent recording quality).

i don't really categorize things myself but i sort of feel the need to loosely categorize it just for the sake of communication and finding listeners. i just started creating and it is what it is.

the simplicity is coming from my approach, i'm more concerned with context and effectiveness of the sounds. i was half concerned it wouldn't be well received here as people gravitate more towards densely intricate compositions but there's no harm in sharing.

i think i definitely took that response in the spirit it was intended. thank you for being friendly and thank you for the constructiveness. it's good to hear your perspective.

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#2084941 - 05/18/13 09:05 PM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: LoPresti]
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@lopresti
i stopped reading at the first hint of sarcasm.

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#2085072 - 05/19/13 06:22 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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rakim,

carry on!

post what you're doing from time to time and your making a great contribution!

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#2085484 - 05/19/13 11:47 PM jazz type song that i made [Re: printer1]
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Originally Posted By: rakim
jazz type song that i made


Originally Posted By: rakim
i figure since it's all done on a keyboard and has a keyboard solo why not post it here in the non-classical section since it's clearly not classical? if it doesn't get much attention here than [sic] fine . . .


Originally Posted By: printer1
post what you're doing from time to time and your [sic] making a great contribution!

O.K. Have the Moderators posted a rule that no one is to use proper English grammar? Because I did not get the memo . . .
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#2085516 - Yesterday at 01:24 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: LoPresti]
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Originally Posted By: LoPresti
Originally Posted By: rakim
jazz type song that i made


Originally Posted By: rakim
i figure since it's all done on a keyboard and has a keyboard solo why not post it here in the non-classical section since it's clearly not classical? if it doesn't get much attention here than [sic] fine . . .


Originally Posted By: printer1
post what you're doing from time to time and your [sic] making a great contribution!

O.K. Have the Moderators posted a rule that no one is to use proper English grammar? Because I did not get the memo . . .


lol talk about grasping for straws. i'm not sure but derailing a topic is probably against the rules more than bad grammar. if you're not interested in the song, go post somewhere else? you're clearly trying to compensate for your inferiority complex.

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#2085522 - Yesterday at 01:35 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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rakim - I use the ignore button smile

Cathy

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#2085695 - Yesterday at 11:08 AM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: jotur]
rakim Online   content
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Originally Posted By: jotur
rakim - I use the ignore button smile

Cathy


oh awesome, thank you smile
didn't realize i could do that

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#2085979 - Yesterday at 08:32 PM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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Originally Posted By: rakim
www.soundcloud.com/jamesjasper/wise-demo

I'm honestly not sure where to post this. If someone can direct me to another forum more oriented toward this type of music I would appreciate it.


switched it to nicholas jasper

www.soundcloud.com/nicholasjasper/wise-demo

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#2086254 - Today at 01:28 PM Re: jazz type song that i made [Re: rakim]
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LoPresti,

I don't see why you are being such a douchebag about this whole thing. The OP posted a recording, and asked a question. Is all that trolling/sarcasm really necessary? What you are doing really isn't any better than what zapper did to Dave Frank's comment a while ago.

O.K. Have the Moderators posted a rule that you must use proper musical terms? Because I did not get the memo . . .


Edited by etcetra (Today at 01:42 PM)

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