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#2094596 - 06/03/13 02:20 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: CleverName]
Emanuel Ravelli Offline
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Originally Posted By: CleverName
Hey, is it true that Alexy Chernov has changed his age a number of times? http://www.brightcecilia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5762


Just snuck into this page for a quick look and couldn't put it down -- too busy laughing my *** off. The primary poster on this page goes by "Despina 41", and she (I think -- hard to tell) is a hoot with a vast knowledge of piano literature. Sort of a hybrid of James Joyce, Robin Williams and Harold Schonberg. Well worth a visit.
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#2094599 - 06/03/13 02:24 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: CleverName]
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Originally Posted By: CleverName
Anyone else miss the Takacs? This quartet they have this year is horrible...particularly the 1st violin...
He's seems to be digging a hole with his shovel err violin. The quartet from the previous competition was better.

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#2094606 - 06/03/13 02:37 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: gluecks]
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Originally Posted By: gluecks
Originally Posted By: CleverName
Anyone else miss the Takacs? This quartet they have this year is horrible...particularly the 1st violin...
He's seems to be digging a hole with his shovel err violin. The quartet from the previous competition was better

I agree. The weepy first violin is driving be nuts. The violist and cellist would make a good foundation for a new quartet, however.
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#2094612 - 06/03/13 02:44 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: gluecks
Originally Posted By: CleverName
Anyone else miss the Takacs? This quartet they have this year is horrible...particularly the 1st violin...
He's seems to be digging a hole with his shovel err violin. The quartet from the previous competition was better

I agree. The weepy first violin is driving be nuts. The violist and cellist would make a good foundation for a new quartet, however.


Agreed... they sounded much better the times I heard them live though.
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#2094613 - 06/03/13 02:46 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Emanuel Ravelli]
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Originally Posted By: Emanuel Ravelli
Originally Posted By: CleverName
Hey, is it true that Alexy Chernov has changed his age a number of times? http://www.brightcecilia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5762
Just snuck into this page for a quick look and couldn't put it down -- too busy laughing my *** off. The primary poster on this page goes by "Despina 41", and she (I think -- hard to tell) is a hoot with a vast knowledge of piano literature. Sort of a hybrid of James Joyce, Robin Williams and Harold Schonberg. Well worth a visit.

Thanks for putting us onto that! And you characterized it spot-on.

I just spent a fair amount of time reading through it, and laughed an awful lot. The only reason I didn't read everything was, there's just too much, all of it pretty neat and a lot of fun.

BTW, [s]he notes the absence of late Brahms like Op. 116-119, as I did also.

P.S. Although as you said she's extremely knowledgeable, we can add her to the many who don't really know Chopin's 4th Scherzo. grin
She clearly didn't have a clue about what Daneshpour did to it.

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#2094616 - 06/03/13 02:47 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
She clearly didn't have a clue about what Daneshpour did to it.


Good -- she can sit next to me in the dugout.
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#2094621 - 06/03/13 02:50 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Emanuel Ravelli]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
She clearly didn't have a clue about what Daneshpour did to it.

Good -- she can sit next to me in the dugout.

You meant penalty box. ha

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#2094630 - 06/03/13 03:01 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Emanuel Ravelli
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
She clearly didn't have a clue about what Daneshpour did to it.

Good -- she can sit next to me in the dugout.

You meant penalty box. ha


Not really. I haven't done anything bad -- just not "ready for the highest prime time." grin
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#2094657 - 06/03/13 03:39 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I think Rana's concentration and focus draw the listener in... in the manner of Kissin.

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#2094661 - 06/03/13 03:45 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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What the heck is she wearing!?
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#2094669 - 06/03/13 03:54 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: AZNpiano]
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What the heck is she wearing!?

That's a really pretty gown. Probably pretty expensive, too, given the appliqued ribbon swirls.

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#2094672 - 06/03/13 03:58 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Rana is Rana, but if there's a comparison to be made I'd say she reminds me more of De Larocca than Kissin.

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#2094673 - 06/03/13 03:58 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I like the images of Rana's hands during the Chopin, she has an admirable technique and her hands are pretty. However I am not taken by her interpretation.

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#2094678 - 06/03/13 04:02 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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To add a word to my post, I'd be curious as to her first teachers who formed her with this technique.

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#2094682 - 06/03/13 04:06 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: vers la flan]
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Originally Posted By: vers la flan
Rana is Rana, but if there's a comparison to be made I'd say she reminds me more of De Larocca than Kissin.


Interesting, I think she's much more like Kissin or Argerich than de Larrocha. Rana is playing her chosen repertoire excellently, but I can't really imagine her pulling off Scarlatti, Mozart, Schubert, or even some Beethoven as convincingly. Though of course I would be happy to be proven wrong!
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#2094683 - 06/03/13 04:07 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Not a fan of this Raindrop, but I think she's doing a great job with the preludes so far! Interested to see how Dong's will hold up in comparison...
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#2094685 - 06/03/13 04:12 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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The characters and colors she's able to create are incredible IMO, but I find many of her tempi to be too impetuous for my taste. I felt this throughout the Scriabin, as well as several of the preludes (esp. nos. 3, 10, 11, 16). Is it just me?

EDIT: And she had only gotten to 17 at that point... I thought the same of 18 and 19.


Edited by ansatz737 (06/03/13 04:19 PM)
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#2094686 - 06/03/13 04:12 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Not a fan of this Raindrop, but I think she's doing a great job with the preludes so far! Interested to see how Dong's will hold up in comparison...

I don't think it works that way, or at least I hope it doesn't -- i.e. comparing players head-to-head because they're playing the same pieces. I would hope that each gets considered on her own terms.

I admit that in this discussion, I've talked about some of the performances that way too, especially on the Liszt Sonata, but that was because I was replying to posts where this was already being done. I don't think I'll be evaluating Dong on how it compares with Rana -- especially considering that Dong seems to be a quite unusual musician (as competitions go!), and therefore that the only fair way to evaluate her (IMO) is on her own terms.


P.S. (unrelated) Anyway else feel that Rana's two closing chords of Prelude #18 foreshadowed #20 (C minor)?

Maybe this is an accepted and well-known thing about that ending to #18, but I've never heard it, and never noticed or thought of it before. All I know is that when she hit those chords (and the way she hit them), I immediately thought of #20, and never had before.


Edited by Mark_C (06/03/13 04:18 PM)

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#2094692 - 06/03/13 04:16 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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#2094693 - 06/03/13 04:16 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Oh I know, but it's interesting to see how people approach the same works differently. Isn't that sort of what the required piece is about? Seeing who "got the right idea" the best. But the Preludes, yes, leave a lot of room for artists to be individual.

Funny that I find a lot of her tempi to be very natural...but that's because my benchmark recording of the preludes is performed by Argerich.
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#2094694 - 06/03/13 04:17 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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On another note, I think Rana's preludes are wonderful! She really had a great legato sound on the E-flat major prelude.
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#2094695 - 06/03/13 04:18 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I think Rana's rubato is very controlled and restrained. Maybe that's how Chopin played the piano, but I would prefer a little more freedom and flexibility between languor and vigor.
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#2094697 - 06/03/13 04:19 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Brendan: REPORTED ha

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#2094700 - 06/03/13 04:20 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Oh NO! laugh
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#2094704 - 06/03/13 04:25 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Another excellent program for Rana. She's still the one to beat, IMO.

Also, since we're halfway through the semis, here's where I think it stands:

Rana
Chen
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#2094705 - 06/03/13 04:26 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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#2094706 - 06/03/13 04:27 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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aw f*ck. the whole point with quoting it was to get that helluva long post it originally was. forget it.


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#2094709 - 06/03/13 04:30 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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I am impressed as to how few people have come to hear the auditions.

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#2094711 - 06/03/13 04:33 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan]
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Only heard the last 8-9 preludes or so by Rana, but thought all of that was top playing! She's absolutely up there in the front. Not sure about some of the remaining predictions of Brendan,but let's see.

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#2094712 - 06/03/13 04:36 PM Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: fnork]
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aw f*ck.....forget it.

Best post of the whole thread. ha

Originally Posted By: Brendan
....since we're halfway through the semis, here's where I think it stands:

Rana
Chen
Kholodenko
Deljavan
Mndoyants
Sakata



Correcting for Brendan's errors grin (and anyway I'm sure he is soon to be banned for that other post):

Rana
Deljavan
Kholodenko
Huangci
Gillham
Dong

Mndoyants
Chen
Khozyainov
Chernov
Abrosimov
Sakata

(Do I really think Dong is in the top 6? I honestly couldn't tell you. Our discussion took on too much of a life of its own.) grin

Main thing I'm thinking is dam, I wish there were like 8 slots in the finals....


Edited by Mark_C (06/03/13 04:55 PM)
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