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#2083610 - 05/16/13 10:16 AM Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter?
Mta88 Offline
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Hi guys.. just wanted to know of the two new actions in roland keyboards,

Which one is the lighter one and will be easier for a small child or say,,,, person with arthritis or disability in the hands to play.

Thanks.

I've read that ivory feel G in the FP50 is sluggish but lighter?

Can anyone clarify the difference between these two actions?
Thanks.
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#2083965 - 05/17/13 02:53 AM Re: Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter? [Re: Mta88]
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Ivory Feel G is lighter than Ivory Feel S. IMHO Ivory Feel G is not bad but Ivory Feel S is overall a better action.

Ivory Feel S is just the same PHA III action placed into Roland's top DPs but built in a single plastic piece instead of two (you lose the wood like plastic side). Although it's a bit heavier than Ivory Feel G, it isn't heavy at all compared to Yamaha's GH (not Yamaha GHS, which is very light), Kawai actions (except CL series) and many acoustic pianos actions. Sometimes I'd wish it was heavier.

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#2084022 - 05/17/13 07:06 AM Re: Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter? [Re: Mta88]
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Don't forget the hard-bottoming feel of the Roland PHA-III (Ivory Feel-S). Someone with hand pain or arthritis might find that an issue.
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#2084051 - 05/17/13 08:10 AM Re: Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter? [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By: EssBrace
Don't forget the hard-bottoming feel of the Roland PHA-III (Ivory Feel-S). Someone with hand pain or arthritis might find that an issue.

+1, as someone with hand problems I agree. My regular experience is with a FP7F. My hands are always sore afterwards (finger joints). I would not recommend any PHAIII derivative as a result. Maybe improved the felt/cushion on the FP50/80?

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#2084077 - 05/17/13 09:21 AM Re: Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter? [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Just remember that felt compresses with use, and pianists play much more on the middle part of the keyboard, which leads to uneven compression (depending on how hard and how much you play) over the years.

My experience is that European pianos (I'm talking acoustics here) tend to have harder (or less squishy) bottoming feel of the keys than Japanese brands. Playing a new Shigeru Kawai and a new Grotrian-Steinweg side by side (as I've done quite often, because they're in the same showroom I frequent) shows up the difference quite markedly. After the very 'positive' bottoming of the Grotrian-Steinweg, the S. Kawai feels distinctly squishy on key strike, which gives a feeling of 'vagueness' until you adjust to it; and similarly, playing the Grotrian-Steinweg immediately after the S. Kawai gives the impression that there's very little cushioning beneath the keys.

Yamaha acoustics are less squishy than Kawai, but still softer than Steinway, C. Bechstein, Bösendorfer, Blüthner and Fazioli.

As Roland aims to emulate the Steinway sound rather than a typical Yamaha or Kawai in its tone generation, it seems logical to me that its key strike would also be on the firm side.

I've also played quite a few old acoustics (which may not have received regular attention) over the years, and some of the Kawai and Yamaha ones have harder key bottom in the middle than in the upper or lower notes, which can be quite disconcerting when I play pieces that range over the whole keyboard.
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#2093183 - 06/01/13 01:51 AM Re: Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter? [Re: Mta88]
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Very informative guys thanks a lot.

From reading various forums here on pianoworld I would say its safe to assume that the f-120 is a decent starter digital piano untill an acoustic can be afforded(due to financial and geographical limitations wrt acoustics)

Although they are the same actions by name, considerable amount of folks posted that the action on the f-120 felt better than that of slab pianos with the same ivory feel g action such as the fp-4f.

from what I understand yamaha GH action is very heavy.

Ghs is very light

Ivory feel G is in between the both

And ivory feel S is heavier than ivory feel G but still lighter than yamaha GH

I wonder where Casio's action on the px- X50 lies in the above

Can anyone comment on Casio's action?
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#2093191 - 06/01/13 04:16 AM Re: Roland Ivory Feel G vs Ivory feel S, Which is lighter? [Re: Mta88]
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I tried the AP-450, AP-650 (all PX-x50 and AP-x50 Casios have phisically the same action as has the PX-5S).

I found the action good, light, but shortness of keys (from front to fulcrum) was obvious (felt like the visible part was shorter than standard which is not the case) and it was a hard bottoming.

I have older and sensitive fingers, but for others it can even be preferable to have a hard (more conclusive) bottoming. You should try it for yourself.

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