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#2084553 - 05/18/13 04:10 AM Beethoven Sonata 16 in G
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As I redo the complete Beethoven sonatas I will present the odd one. This is much improved on my last presentation and requires only a little nip & tuck here and there for professional performance.

Beethoven Sonata 16 G
https://www.box.com/s/rl6r3jy7exforsvotq6y
https://www.box.com/s/8znfb6r8e83bxwtv4vhb
https://www.box.com/s/iqit3s9dqkqr3btex3sr
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#2084560 - 05/18/13 04:34 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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#2084715 - 05/18/13 11:49 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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Originally Posted By: BachMach2
As I redo the complete Beethoven sonatas I will present the odd one. This is much improved on my last presentation and requires only a little nip & tuck here and there for professional performance.

Beethoven Sonata 16 G
https://www.box.com/s/rl6r3jy7exforsvotq6y
https://www.box.com/s/8znfb6r8e83bxwtv4vhb
https://www.box.com/s/iqit3s9dqkqr3btex3sr


Mr. Gilmore (Steve....BachMach2....or whatever) -

This may be improved over your last presentation, but are you ever going to show us what you are really capable of doing - or do you find it easier to be a "one-trick pony?" grin
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#2084742 - 05/18/13 12:52 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: carey]
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Carey--

Check out his Beethoven Appassionata performance, recently posted. It is a blazing tour de force, and should answer your question to some degree.

--Andy
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#2084893 - 05/18/13 07:44 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Carey--Check out his Beethoven Appassionata performance, recently posted. It is a blazing tour de force, and should answer your question to some degree.


Andy - You definitely got the "blazing" part right - but otherwise the Appassionata performance was more of a "tour-de-farce." Of course, the recording quality is so ATROCIOUS that it is almost impossible to tell when Mr. Steve is actually hitting the correct notes or simply resorting to impassioned flailing and pounding on the keyboard. Perhaps we should take up a collection to buy him a new digital recorder. grin
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#2084942 - 05/18/13 09:05 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: carey]
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And a piano tuning.
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#2084971 - 05/18/13 10:30 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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Apparently you two are new to BachMach2's recordings wink
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#2084975 - 05/18/13 10:39 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Apparently you two are new to BachMach2's recordings wink


I have followed BachMach's recordings from his very first. Consider me a fan. (Or, a gawker.)
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#2084976 - 05/18/13 10:41 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Apparently you two are new to BachMach2's recordings wink


No - we've both been here from the very beginning !!!!!! ha

Let's just say we're gluttons for punishment !!!

As for Mr. Gilmore (aka RachMach2)........... crazy
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#2085085 - 05/19/13 07:04 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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Does anyone else here appreciate that this guy can really play? laugh
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#2085122 - 05/19/13 09:53 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Morodiene]
carey Offline
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Does anyone else here appreciate that this guy can really play? laugh

Well - sure he can play - BUT most of what he posts here sounds like he is sight reading. When combined with the out of tune piano and poor recorded sound.......it just seems like an incredible waste of his (and our) time. But, of course, it takes TWO to Tango !! grin
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#2085126 - 05/19/13 09:59 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Does anyone else here appreciate that this guy can really play? laugh

Well - sure he can play - BUT most of what he posts here sounds like he is sight reading. When combined with the out of tune piano and poor recorded sound.......it just seems like an incredible waste of his (and our) time. But, of course, it takes TWO to Tango !! grin
He clearly doesn't think it's a waste of his time. He regularly gets more replies than the average posted recording partly because some members find his postings funny.

As far as the sound of his piano goes, I think it's glorious and magnificent. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was for sale. Our Mason BB's pale in comparison.


Edited by pianoloverus (05/19/13 10:02 AM)

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#2085134 - 05/19/13 10:28 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
He clearly doesn't think it's a waste of his time. He regularly gets more replies than the average posted recording partly because some members find his postings funny.

As far as the sound of his piano goes, I think it's glorious and magnificent. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was for sale. Our Mason BB's pale in comparison.


So true !!!!! grin
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#2085279 - 05/19/13 03:33 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved), and I'm pretty sure BachMach is a separate account. Why hasn't he been banned for having a sock puppet yet?

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#2085302 - 05/19/13 04:00 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved), and I'm pretty sure BachMach is a separate account. Why hasn't he been banned for having a sock puppet yet?
Probably because of his brilliant interpretations or the glorious sound of his piano?

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#2085306 - 05/19/13 04:18 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved)


By whom?
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#2085689 - 05/20/13 10:59 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved)


By whom?

I think the "proof" was based on the fact that both have a Box signature of Steve Gillmore.

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#2085919 - 05/20/13 05:45 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved)


By whom?

I think the "proof" was based on the fact that both have a Box signature of Steve Gilmore.


If that is the case, you are a wise old man indeed. Unfortunately, all of the box.net links for PartyPianist's posts have been deactivated - so we are relying on our collective memories here. PartyPIanist waxed much more eloquently in his posts than BachMach2 - but the similarities are quite striking !!! grin
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#2086513 - 05/21/13 11:25 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved)


By whom?

I think the "proof" was based on the fact that both have a Box signature of Steve Gilmore.


If that is the case, you are a wise old man indeed. Unfortunately, all of the box.net links for PartyPianist's posts have been deactivated - so we are relying on our collective memories here. PartyPIanist waxed much more eloquently in his posts than BachMach2 - but the similarities are quite striking !!! grin

Maybe "senile old man" is more accurate, but I'm willing to go out on a limb here.

I recall running into this BachMach2/Party Pianist brouhaha shortly after I joined PW in early 2012. So I listened to a couple of BachMach's "performances", and after wiping away the tears of laughter, I did a little digging. And I distinctly remember finding a Party Pianist link to Box, and seeing the name "Steve Gillmore". But I don't remember the source of the link. I also remember following a link to Pianostreet, where I found "slow_concert_pianist". When I linked to SCP's recordings, once again, I saw "Steve Gillmore". So I assumed these were all one and the same person.

Although I can't find any PP references, I was able to track down this link to "slow_concert_pianist" on Pianostreet:

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=36850.0

So yes, we're relying on our collective memories here, which only serves to further amplify Damon's skepticism. Plus, he can now expand his question to: "By whom? A demented old man?" laugh

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#2086541 - 05/22/13 12:55 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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I've done a bit of digging now, and I really dig this guy's creative blurbs that accompany the recorded rubbish. Self-referential and self-reverential in the extreme.

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#2086555 - 05/22/13 02:44 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is the same guy as Party Pianist from a long time ago (it has been proved)


By whom?

I think the "proof" was based on the fact that both have a Box signature of Steve Gilmore.


If that is the case, you are a wise old man indeed. Unfortunately, all of the box.net links for PartyPianist's posts have been deactivated - so we are relying on our collective memories here. PartyPIanist waxed much more eloquently in his posts than BachMach2 - but the similarities are quite striking !!! grin

Maybe "senile old man" is more accurate, but I'm willing to go out on a limb here.

I recall running into this BachMach2/Party Pianist brouhaha shortly after I joined PW in early 2012. So I listened to a couple of BachMach's "performances", and after wiping away the tears of laughter, I did a little digging. And I distinctly remember finding a Party Pianist link to Box, and seeing the name "Steve Gillmore". But I don't remember the source of the link. I also remember following a link to Pianostreet, where I found "slow_concert_pianist". When I linked to SCP's recordings, once again, I saw "Steve Gillmore". So I assumed these were all one and the same person.

Although I can't find any PP references, I was able to track down this link to "slow_concert_pianist" on Pianostreet:

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=36850.0

So yes, we're relying on our collective memories here, which only serves to further amplify Damon's skepticism. Plus, he can now expand his question to: "By whom? A demented old man?" laugh


Good sleuthing, demented/senile old man !!!!! thumb

Mr. Gillmore is indeed BachMach2, PartyPianist and Slow_Concert-Pianist. Now - who the heck is Steve Gillmore??????? ha
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#2086806 - 05/22/13 01:12 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Goomer Piles]
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Originally Posted By: Goomer Piles
I've done a bit of digging now, and I really dig this guy's creative blurbs that accompany the recorded rubbish. Self-referential and self-reverential in the extreme.

Eloquently phrased, GP: "Self-referential and self-reverential". A perfect description!

What makes all of this "work" for me is Mr. Gillmore's brilliantly constructed three-legged stool:

1. Technically bad recordings of technically bad playing.
2. The self-referential/self-reverential introductions, not to mention his occasional critiques of others' playing.
3. The reactions of his audience.

Number 3 is really the key to his shtick. It is the ambiguity of the BachMach persona that generates such a wide range of emotions, from empathy to apathy to vitriol. He plays on our human nature, because no one wants to deliberately "offend", yet no one enjoys "being had" either. Very similar to Sacha Baron Cohen's "Ali G", who conducted outrageous interviews of famous people, with some laughing uncontrollably as they realized what was happening (Pat Buchanan) to others who walked off in a huff (Andy Rooney). But funniest of all were those who tried to maintain their gravitas, and actually attempted to provide serious answers to his ridiculous questions. (BTW, here's a Wikipedia link to Ali G's list of notable interviews, including a few of those reactions, and the topics discussed. Hilarious. Ali G )

I'm not suggesting Gillmore's in the league of a comic genius like Cohen, but he's creative enough to continually draw people to his recordings. Some, like me, are genuine fans, but most come to ridicule (me included), or to demand his forced exile from PW. But even his harshest critics seem to find his posts strangely irresistible. Unfortunately, this trend is on the wane, and many of his posts now receive zero replies.

Personally, I find him a welcome and harmless diversion. And he's only a mouse-click away -- for the taking or the leaving.

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#2088620 - 05/25/13 03:24 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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#2088814 - 05/25/13 08:28 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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Old Man's posts on the subject of BachMach2 seem to be both eloquent and wise.
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#2088866 - 05/25/13 10:04 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man

2. The self-referential/self-reverential introductions, not to mention his occasional critiques of others' playing.


My favorite critique of his was when he posted his recording of something in CanCakmur's thread as a means of "schooling" him. THAT was funny! I think it was the Mephisto waltz.
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#2089368 - 05/26/13 06:02 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Old Man

2. The self-referential/self-reverential introductions, not to mention his occasional critiques of others' playing.


My favorite critique of his was when he posted his recording of something in CanCakmur's thread as a means of "schooling" him. THAT was funny! I think it was the Mephisto waltz.

Good memory, Damon! Yes, that was the one I had in mind, and you can read it again here. . Given the nature of BM2's playing, for him to offer 3 "meaty" paragraphs of fatherly advice was the height of "faux arrogance". It was hilarious to read, and it completely shut down the thread. I guess other members were left speechless. grin

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#2089395 - 05/26/13 06:28 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Old Man

2. The self-referential/self-reverential introductions, not to mention his occasional critiques of others' playing.


My favorite critique of his was when he posted his recording of something in CanCakmur's thread as a means of "schooling" him. THAT was funny! I think it was the Mephisto waltz.

Good memory, Damon! Yes, that was the one I had in mind, and you can read it again here. . Given the nature of BM2's playing, for him to offer 3 "meaty" paragraphs of fatherly advice was the height of "faux arrogance". It was hilarious to read, and it completely shut down the thread. I guess other members were left speechless. grin


I feared for CanCakmur at that point. He (CanCakmur) is truly on the way up, and honestly, I did not like the way BachMach jerked his chain. My heart couldn't find any comic detachment, there. frown
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#2089489 - 05/26/13 09:20 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: BachMach2]
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This is the first time I've listened to Steve Gillmore's output in a couple years, and comparing what I hear to what I can remember, I would be compelled to think this is not a hoax or a joke or a stunt. Actually I think he has certainly improved quite a bit pianistically, though I know the recording quality is bad, and there are still imbalances and insecurities and messy technique. This is not by any stretch an easy sonata, and all things considered, there is some musicality here.

(I heard only the 1st movement.)
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#2089569 - 05/26/13 10:34 PM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Old Man

2. The self-referential/self-reverential introductions, not to mention his occasional critiques of others' playing.


My favorite critique of his was when he posted his recording of something in CanCakmur's thread as a means of "schooling" him. THAT was funny! I think it was the Mephisto waltz.

Good memory, Damon! Yes, that was the one I had in mind, and you can read it again here. . Given the nature of BM2's playing, for him to offer 3 "meaty" paragraphs of fatherly advice was the height of "faux arrogance". It was hilarious to read, and it completely shut down the thread. I guess other members were left speechless. grin


I feared for CanCakmur at that point. He (CanCakmur) is truly on the way up, and honestly, I did not like the way BachMach jerked his chain. My heart couldn't find any comic detachment, there. frown


I guess it's possible that CanCakmur was insulted, which would be a shame, but I don't know how you could take the critique seriously.
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#2089829 - 05/27/13 11:36 AM Re: Beethoven Sonata 16 in G [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: Old Man
Originally Posted By: Damon

My favorite critique of his was when he posted his recording of something in CanCakmur's thread as a means of "schooling" him. THAT was funny! I think it was the Mephisto waltz.

Good memory, Damon! Yes, that was the one I had in mind, and you can read it again here. . Given the nature of BM2's playing, for him to offer 3 "meaty" paragraphs of fatherly advice was the height of "faux arrogance". It was hilarious to read, and it completely shut down the thread. I guess other members were left speechless. grin


I feared for CanCakmur at that point. He (CanCakmur) is truly on the way up, and honestly, I did not like the way BachMach jerked his chain. My heart couldn't find any comic detachment, there. frown

If CanCakmur were not that talented, I would agree with you, Cinnamonbear. It was because CanCakmur's playing is so far superior to anything BachMach could produce, that I was able to find the "comic detachment." And the fact that CanCakmur has continued to release recordings since then, convinces me that he was not intimidated by BachMach's so-called "analysis". He may have been flummoxed by it (who wasn't?), but I doubt he was truly offended. I think CanCakmur's too good a pianist to not know when his chain is being jerked.

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