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#2085623 - Yesterday at 08:08 AM
CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
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#2085649 - Yesterday at 09:23 AM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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- GF Wooden-Key Action Is that the same action of CA65/95? 
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#2085653 - Yesterday at 09:37 AM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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#2085657 - Yesterday at 09:51 AM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Kawai James]
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CS10 will be great. When I was shopping DP's I played the CA95 and the Kurzweil CUP2 side-by-side in the showroom. At the time I was thinking that if only the CA95 had the CUP2 polished ebony look it would be an amazing DP... and now we have it, summer 2013.
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#2085671 - Yesterday at 10:21 AM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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The CS-10 is pretty much "CA-95 in a polished ebony coat".
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#2085686 - Yesterday at 10:53 AM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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Sorry, I don't understand: "Ultimate Hybrid Piano" what Hybrid stands for? Isn't it for the cabinet look only?!
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#2085729 - Yesterday at 12:07 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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Would that I could have waited for this instead of getting my CA95. Oh well, save a bit of money I guess :P
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#2085733 - Yesterday at 12:13 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Qbert]
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Sorry, I don't understand: "Ultimate Hybrid Piano" what Hybrid stands for? Isn't it for the cabinet look only?! "Hybrid" is just a contemporary marketing word used in so many industries these days. I guess it sounds better than crossbreed, mixture, fusion, etc In this case hybrid just simply means that it has components of an AP + DP = HP (Hybrid Piano), It certainly separates itself from "digital piano" IMO. I would expect an HP to be superior to a DP from a marketing standpoint.
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#2085762 - Yesterday at 01:13 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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Marketing indeed! Yamaha's turn to respond to Kawai hijacking the use of 'their' marketing term 'hybrid'. I assume it's the cabinet and soundboard in this case? I played a CS9 several times befor purchasing my current DP. It was a fantastic instrument with a lovely cabinet design and finish. I'm sure the CS10 is a worthy successor.
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#2085787 - Yesterday at 02:12 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Qbert]
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Sorry, I don't understand: "Ultimate Hybrid Piano" what Hybrid stands for? Isn't it for the cabinet look only?! Kawai misuses for marketing purpose this term for the CA95 and CS10 because of their real soundboard made of wood like real piano... The action is the same as CA65, and 95, and therefore not hybrid in the yamaha sense
Edited by enzo.sandrolini (Yesterday at 02:13 PM)
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#2085813 - Yesterday at 02:53 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
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Sorry, I don't understand: "Ultimate Hybrid Piano" what Hybrid stands for? Isn't it for the cabinet look only?! Kawai misuses for marketing purpose this term for the CA95 and CS10 because of their real soundboard made of wood like real piano... The action is the same as CA65, and 95, and therefore not hybrid in the yamaha sense So if Hybrid is based on action, would Kawai have to use the Millennium III Action in the CS10? Would you consider that to be hybrid same as Yamaha?
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#2085835 - Yesterday at 03:35 PM
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[Re: Marko in Boston]
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I'm pretty sure that the paring of the sound board system to the Grand Feel actions used in the CA 65/95 into the K2 style cabinet is what, together, brings Kawai to call this the "Ultimate" of their hybrids at present time.
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#2085859 - Yesterday at 04:17 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Qbert]
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Sorry, I don't understand: "Ultimate Hybrid Piano" Neither do I! I don't think they're hybrids at all - the CS10, NU1 and so on - they are just fancier simulations. The only pianos that could properly be called hybrid would be 'silent pianos' and the Disklavier because they actually are acoustic pianos but are also fully electronic and midi-capable. That's genuine hybrid. The fact that silent pianos are - according to a lot of accounts on here and elsewhere - not much good is neither here not there. Hybrid applied to the likes of the CS10 or LX15 is just marketing nonsense.
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#2085900 - Yesterday at 05:01 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: toddy]
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Sorry, I don't understand: "Ultimate Hybrid Piano" Neither do I! I don't think they're hybrids at all - the CS10, NU1 and so on - they are just fancier simulations. The only pianos that could properly be called hybrid would be 'silent pianos' and the Disklavier because they actually are acoustic pianos but are also fully electronic and midi-capable. That's genuine hybrid. The fact that silent pianos are - according to a lot of accounts on here and elsewhere - not much good is neither here not there. Hybrid applied to the likes of the CS10 or LX15 is just marketing nonsense. You make a good point about silent pianos being "properly" called hybrid. Using this analogy: If a hybrid vehicle is a vehicle that uses two distinct power sources to move the vehicle; gas or battery. Then a hybrid piano is a piano that would use two distinct sources to make sound; hammers on strings or digital sound engine.
Edited by Marko in Boston (Yesterday at 05:03 PM)
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#2085903 - Yesterday at 05:04 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: spanishbuddha]
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Marketing indeed! Yamaha's turn to respond to Kawai hijacking the use of 'their' marketing term 'hybrid'. I believe the 'Hybrid' term was initially used in the HA11 digital piano, launched in 1998. However, the 'Hybrid' logo/concept was properly introduced with the AnyTimeX upright pianos back in 2007: http://www.kawai.co.jp/press/20071001.asp (half-way down the page) But regardless of who was first to use this term, or if you even believe it's appropriate to describe acoustic piano-like characteristics of a digital piano, the fact remains that the CS10 is a fantastic instrument.  James x
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#2085910 - Yesterday at 05:19 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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...the fact remains that the CS10 is a fantastic instrument....You bet! It looks beautiful, I've no doubt it feels beautiful, sounds beautiful and performs beautifully. However, this is entirely beside the point.
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#2085927 - Yesterday at 05:54 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: toddy]
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True Toddy. maybe start a new "hybrid" topic if needed. We all got a little off topic.
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#2085976 - Yesterday at 08:25 PM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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Surely as long as some characteristics, whatever they may be, from each of the two things are hybridised it can be called a hybrid. To suggest the CS10 is not a hybrid is to suggest that the cabinet and soundboard of an acoustic piano is not a very important part of the instrument.
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#2086124 - Today at 05:19 AM
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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Well yes, the soundboard might qualify it as approaching hybrid status and even more so the hammer mechanism in Yamaha's AvantGrands and NU1. Still, these are only simulations, I'd have thought, whereas the whole system is both acoustic and electronic in the Disklavier and the modern silent pianos. This is hybrid: http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...sg2/?mode=model
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#2086140 - 19 minutes 19 seconds ago
Re: CS 10 On Kawai US site Available By Summer
[Re: Rich W]
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Yes, that is a hybrid. But the CS10 is also a hybrid. It just hybridises different things.
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Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata
Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean
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Chopin - Ballade No. 4
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