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#2089470 - 05/26/13 08:49 PM In honor of "bad Liszt"
D. S. F. Offline
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On the mega Cliburn thread Kuanpiano quoted Scott Cantrell, from the Dallas News:

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I admit it: I always dread the Cliburn Piano Competition for the inevitable onslaught of noisy, vulgar pieces by Franz Liszt.

I understand Liszt’s importance as a mid-19th-century musical innovator, and he did compose some fine music. But a lot of what gets trotted out at the Cliburn is all about showing how fast and how loudly one can play octaves, runs and chock-a-block chords. That, to me, is not music. The two performances so far of the B minor Ballade–awful piece–were two too many, and I find it hard to defend the pretentious–and prolonged–twaddle of “Apres une lecture de Dante.”

If I ran a piano competition, and at the risk of eliminating some worthy individual pieces, I would forbid performance of Liszt, period. Maybe that would encourage competitors to demonstrate virtues subtler than “anything you can play, I can play faster–and louder.”

Ugh.


I have a rather long story of my time with the Liszt Dante Sonata including an antidote that I played it as if I thought it was "good Liszt," when it's apparently not! (Incidentally, I love Liszt and the Dante). Post includes a live performance from 2009.

http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=38355.0

(Apologies about the sound...I was really behind in knowing anything about recording. But this actually is a performance I like).

Dave
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#2089478 - 05/26/13 09:11 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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It's a performance I like, too! I might steal some of your ideas.
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#2089493 - 05/26/13 09:21 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: Brendan]
D. S. F. Offline
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Thanks! Did I once see a video of you playing this?
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#2089494 - 05/26/13 09:22 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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LISTENING NOW SO EXCITED THANKS FOR KEEPING THE TRADITION ALIVE! smile


Will post comments soon!
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#2090313 - 05/27/13 10:20 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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This is definitely not a "bad Liszt" piece smile

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#2090523 - 05/28/13 08:55 AM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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Originally Posted By: D. S. F.
Thanks! Did I once see a video of you playing this?


Maybe! I've programmed it a few times recently and plan on playing it more in the future. It really is an amazing piece.
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#2090579 - 05/28/13 10:41 AM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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Wonderful playing!!

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#2090583 - 05/28/13 10:46 AM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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Absolutely wonderful playing, thank you so much for sharing! You make a convincing case in honoring "bad Liszt" - while I'm not as sold on Liszt in general as some other forum members, I think the Liszt "problem" is much more about all of the shitty, bangy and loud performacnes you often hear of his music than anything else. It's rare that I find a Dante performance really captivating, but yours kept me listening intensively from the very first note all the way until the end. Bravo!

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#2090914 - 05/28/13 09:13 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is definitely not a "bad Liszt" piece smile

Well, we all know one that is (apparently) - from last night's Cliburn performance...there was a huge rant from a few members about the piece in question. laugh
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#2090925 - 05/28/13 09:23 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is definitely not a "bad Liszt" piece smile

Well, we all know one that is (apparently) - from last night's Cliburn performance...there was a huge rant from a few members about the piece in question. laugh


I won't concede that. I like the Don Juan Fantasy.

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#2090939 - 05/28/13 10:00 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: Damon]
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Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
This is definitely not a "bad Liszt" piece smile

Well, we all know one that is (apparently) - from last night's Cliburn performance...there was a huge rant from a few members about the piece in question. laugh


I won't concede that. I like the Don Juan Fantasy.

I wasn't expressing my opinion, merely stating facts. laugh

(I like it too.)
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#2091041 - 05/28/13 11:47 PM Re: In honor of "bad Liszt" [Re: D. S. F.]
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Registered: 11/11/08
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Great playing. Count me in as a fan of this piece. It's very hard to bring off, but played well I like it as much as pretty much any piece from the period. A masterpiece.

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