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#2094423 - 06/03/13 09:46 AM Industry/Professional status please
David Jenson Offline
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Frank has requested that industry professionals indicate this in their signature lines. It really helps in giving responses.

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#2094478 - 06/03/13 11:20 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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This is Frank's message, from the Piano Forum:


Are You A Piano Industry Professional?
Do You Work In The Piano Industry?
Or... Were You Recently Associated With The Piano Industry?
Are You, or Were You a... Piano Dealer, Tuner/Technician/Rebuilder, Teacher, Sales Person, Manufacturer/Manufacturer's Rep, Distributor, Wholesaler, Retailer, Manager, Consultant, Supplier, Importer/Exporter?



If you answered yes to any of the above, please
Identify your affiliation with the piano business in your signature!

Simply click "my profile" at the top of the page, then click "edit profile", scroll down and find the "Signature" box, fill it in and click "Update Profile" (near the bottom of the page). And yes, it's ok to include a link to your web site if you have one, and even your business phone number if you wish.

The primary objective of Piano World and the Piano Forums is to be a resource people can count on for information about pianos and piano playing.

If you are or were a piano industry professional, please identify yourself as such so people will know the source of your "expertise".

And if it was in the past, we would still really appreciate some details (ex: former Dealer - Steinway, Mason & Hamlin, or ex: former Rep for Gulbransen).

Code Of Ethics:
We do not condone members hiding behind a veil of anonymity so they can push there own agenda, promote their own business or products, or create negative posts about their competitors and/or competitive products.

Show some class, identify yourself and try to contribute positively to the forums.

If you consider yourself to be a professional, please act like one! If you just can't resist promoting yourself or your business, or you think bashing your competitors and/or their products is the way to do business, you will likely find yourself banned from the forums.

This is not a platform for people with personal agendas, it is a place where people with a genuine interest in the piano come for help, hints, ideas, information, and even to make new friends.

Stop the Self-Promotion!
It is NOT ACCEPTABLE for you to create posts thinly disguised as an innocent discussion when in fact they are nothing more than a promotion for your business.

Nor should you be directing your customers here for the sole purpose of touting how wonderful you are.


If you make a genuine effort to be honest and helpful, you just may pick up some business because people trust you. That's fine, I have no problem with that. Anything beyond that, see our Professional Advertising options.

Some Guidelines:

Not Necessarily Self Promotion...
If someone asks a dealer a question about their brand/business and the dealer answers it, that's NOT self-promotion.
If someone USED TO BE in the piano business and they recommend or speak well of their old brand, it's NOT self-promotion.
If a dealer OCCASIONALLY posts news about what is going on in their business, it's not self-promotion.
If a private individual is enthusiastic about a brand and talks about it a lot, it's not self-promotion.

Now for what we do consider self-promotion:

If you're a dealer and state models/prices, it's self-promotion.
If you're a dealer and tell someone to call/PM you and you'll talk about something they're looking for, that is self-promotion.
Is you're in the business and hide yourself behind an alias to talk down/up a brand you're self promoting.
If you're in the business and you continually create posts to talk about your business, you're self-promoting.
If you're in the business and whenever someone asks if a price is good and you always tell them you "think they can do better", the implication is that you want them to call you and thus you MIGHT be self-promoting.

This is not all encompassing and there can be exceptions to the cases stated above, but this is a general idea on how we view the subject.

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#2094829 - 06/03/13 08:57 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
David Jenson Offline
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I think it's easy to miss Frank's request. I did when I first signed up. I even used a cute alias until I realized that this isn't that kind of forum. Eventually I tossed the alias and relaxed by posing as myself - for better or worse.
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#2094984 - 06/03/13 11:40 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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I only use Operatenor because that's been my user ID from the start, several years before i got back into the business.
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#2095019 - 06/04/13 02:10 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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The feeling I get from this isn't very welcoming. From what I've seen in my short time here, I'm not 100% sure if I want to stay. I prefer to use a cute nickname for my own reasons. I think that's perfectly acceptable for an online forum. I control my online presence especially what a client or potential employer can google. I just want to keep it light hearted, learn and talk about pianos. I'm a nice person, really smile Do I have to list credentials after my full name and website for anybody to believe me? I would suggest you guys relax a bit, and let us participate. You can get a feel from our posts if we are really a 'true' tech or not.
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#2095028 - 06/04/13 02:28 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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It is Frank's board and Frank's rule. All you have to do is say whether you are professional or not.

I am sometimes, and sometimes I am not, so I am semiprofessional, after decades of being professional.
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#2095038 - 06/04/13 02:54 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Glue Collar Worker]
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Originally Posted By: Glue Collar Worker
The feeling I get from this isn't very welcoming. From what I've seen in my short time here, I'm not 100% sure if I want to stay. I prefer to use a cute nickname for my own reasons. I think that's perfectly acceptable for an online forum. I control my online presence especially what a client or potential employer can google. I just want to keep it light hearted, learn and talk about pianos. I'm a nice person, really smile Do I have to list credentials after my full name and website for anybody to believe me? I would suggest you guys relax a bit, and let us participate. You can get a feel from our posts if we are really a 'true' tech or not.


You do not have to disclose your personal identity or business name. All you have to do is disclose that you are an industry professional, and in what capacity. It's not unreasonable.
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#2095108 - 06/04/13 08:35 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
David Jenson Offline
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Oops! I think I muddied the waters unintentionally by talking about a "cute alias". I had something else on my mind (or what passes for a mind these days) when I wrote it. Although most of the members use their real names, as I read Frank's request, made-up names are fine. He just wants industry professionals to indicate their affiliation with the trade.
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#2095146 - 06/04/13 09:44 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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So let’s sign up to be a member of a technical forum representing a trade we are involved in and then hide our identity.

How does this make any sense?

I believe most of the technicians here are self-employed; if one has to live in constant fear such as worrying about what a prospective client or employer could read then I am left wondering why be here at all then?

With that mindset it is not the member who is controlling their on-line presence. Self-censoring out of fear on the internet is a case of the tail wagging the dog.

We are guests here. The only opinion that matters is the owner’s. If members find it too difficult to comply with simple rules then maybe it is best to move on.
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#2095170 - 06/04/13 10:42 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
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Originally Posted By: Silverwood Pianos

So let’s sign up to be a member of a technical forum representing a trade we are involved in and then hide our identity.

How does this make any sense?

It doesn't have to make any sense. We have a right to online privacy.

Originally Posted By: Silverwood Pianos


I believe most of the technicians here are self-employed; if one has to live in constant fear such as worrying about what a prospective client or employer could read then I am left wondering why be here at all then?

With that mindset it is not the member who is controlling their on-line presence. Self-censoring out of fear on the internet is a case of the tail wagging the dog.


Now you have this backwards. I get 80% of my new clients from the internet. They can and do google. I prefer they not find if I post a cute picture of a puppy or not in my private speaking with other techs. Do you invite clients to your group meetings? I think the answer is no smile

Originally Posted By: Silverwood Pianos


We are guests here. The only opinion that matters is the owner’s. If members find it too difficult to comply with simple rules then maybe it is best to move on.
True, we are guests here. Therefore I would imagine if this was an issue, it would be between me and Frank. Not between me and BDB, Silverwood Pianos, or anybody else.

Look guys, I respect the fact that this is your forum, you live here and you have 1,000's of posts. I get it. I participate in other forums and have 1,000s of posts as well. I love forums thus hoping to join here. .

*suggestion*

Most forums have a pinned introductions thread. Introduce yourself here, say hello and a bit about yourself before posting. That would be reasonable and more conducive to a better welcome then people jumping at you asking to state your affiliations. Just a thought.
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#2095192 - 06/04/13 11:27 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada
This is a public forum not private. How can one develop a private conversation with other technicians on a public forum; this is not possible.

If members do not want their posting content viewed by some five billion people worldwide then best to post as a professional about pianos and piano topics, not cute girls in bikinis who require their G string repaired, cats, dogs, and the like.

Members have one right only here; that is the right to cooperate with the rules set out by the owner.

The rules here,have been in place since May 25, 2001. No member is required to like them.
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#2095211 - 06/04/13 11:50 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Although most of the members use their real names, as I read Frank's request, made-up names are fine. He just wants industry professionals to indicate their affiliation with the trade.
There seems to be conflicting opinions then Silverwood Pianos. You seem pretty upset over my request to keep a nickname.
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#2095214 - 06/04/13 12:02 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 6
Loc: central texas
I did not log in for several years because of my name. I have been moving pianos since 1978 (central Texas), and refinishing since 1985. Restorations since the 90's. Not moving now because of an arm injury (if you are 60 years old, maybe just because you always could doesn't mean you still should). Professional status may be questionable at this point. The irs has previously expressed some doubt. frank j baxter (granger, texas)
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#2095216 - 06/04/13 12:07 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
Silverwood Pianos Offline
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Loc: Vancouver B. C. Canada


Cooperation with the rules set out by the owner reveals certain professionalism in the business marketplace.

Also reveals the professional approach or lack thereof to other areas of the trade. Are members sure they would like prospective clients or prospective employers to read the responses in this thread.

There is a reason many long time, good technicians such as myself and others no longer post here much.

We can all observe the responses when a simple reminder thread is posted by one of the long-time members.

Cooperation by members or not reveals more about the member than the reader.
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#2095217 - 06/04/13 12:09 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
Supply Offline
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Loc: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
I think the pinned introductions thread might be a good idea. I also think that if if you want to post cute pictures of puppies but don't want your clients to see them, then do it on your private facebook page or elsewhere. The Piano World site is public with a capital P.

If there is anything that you would not want one person in the world to see or know, then don't post it anywhere on the internet, because it can be found by someone, eventually.

If there is anything you would not say and sign your name to, but would say it anonymously, then please don't do it here - there are many places elsewhere you can do that.

I like the idea of signing names to a post. It is a bit of a barrier that helps people from going into the darker zone of sniping, personal attacks, etc, and helps to maintain a certain standard of personal accountability.
Otherwise, hey, let's all have a puppet show of socks so we can really clobber the other guy. tiki
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#2095220 - 06/04/13 12:15 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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The puppy analogy was a hyperbole. You guys don't have the best sense of humor.
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#2095243 - 06/04/13 12:38 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Supply]
pianolive Offline
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I thought the board was supposed to be about piano technical discussions, not about who is who.
When I get PMs from other members or send a PM I do present myself.

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#2095252 - 06/04/13 12:49 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Glue Collar Worker]
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Loc: Olympia, WA
Originally Posted By: Glue Collar Worker
The puppy analogy was a hyperbole. You guys don't have the best sense of humor.

Dang! I was so looking forward to the picture of the puppy. Now I find its just hyperbole. How disappointing.
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#2095265 - 06/04/13 01:14 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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We do not have puppies, but we have a baby parakeet, who is now about 2 months old and is learning aerobatics. Much nicer than the Blue Angels, and quieter, too!
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#2095327 - 06/04/13 02:31 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Glue Collar Worker]
Phil D Offline
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Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: Glue Collar Worker
Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Although most of the members use their real names, as I read Frank's request, made-up names are fine. He just wants industry professionals to indicate their affiliation with the trade.
There seems to be conflicting opinions then Silverwood Pianos. You seem pretty upset over my request to keep a nickname.


You've got your wires crossed a little bit here. You're free to use whatever nickname you so desire, but if you are going to be posting on this board, and you are a technician or piano undustry professional in any capacity, then you are asked to declare that. BDB, the guy who posts the most succinct responses to everything, also has the most succinct signature declaring that he is a semi professional technician. Nothing else, but it satisfies the rule.

The rule is there because members of the public post here asking about pianos, and discussions about the question are made much easier when one knows if a competent level of technical understanding can be expected.

It's easy for people with access to Reblitz to post very technical questions here, ones that could garner long responses assuming a level of skill etc. Imagine writing such a long response only to find the guy has never so much as picked up a tuning hammer.
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#2095393 - 06/04/13 03:52 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Phil D]
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Originally Posted By: Phil D
Originally Posted By: Glue Collar Worker
Originally Posted By: David Jenson
Although most of the members use their real names, as I read Frank's request, made-up names are fine. He just wants industry professionals to indicate their affiliation with the trade.
There seems to be conflicting opinions then Silverwood Pianos. You seem pretty upset over my request to keep a nickname.


You've got your wires crossed a little bit here. You're free to use whatever nickname you so desire, but if you are going to be posting on this board, and you are a technician or piano undustry professional in any capacity, then you are asked to declare that. BDB, the guy who posts the most succinct responses to everything, also has the most succinct signature declaring that he is a semi professional technician. Nothing else, but it satisfies the rule.

The rule is there because members of the public post here asking about pianos, and discussions about the question are made much easier when one knows if a competent level of technical understanding can be expected.

It's easy for people with access to Reblitz to post very technical questions here, ones that could garner long responses assuming a level of skill etc. Imagine writing such a long response only to find the guy has never so much as picked up a tuning hammer.


A good point. I am not disagreeing with you, but a question comes to mind: Do you think that a declaration of piano service affiliation in our signature really provides a meaningful solution? One may still feign credentials. It's as if some degree of vetting is needed, but how to do it is the question.


Edited by bkw58 (06/04/13 03:53 PM)
Edit Reason: clarity
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#2095404 - 06/04/13 03:58 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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What needs to be in the signature and the reason for it are all explained in Frank's message.

It does help, especially when crafting an answer specifically to a professional, a student of the technology, an amateur, or a layperson.
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#2095425 - 06/04/13 04:22 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
What needs to be in the signature and the reason for it are all explained in Frank's message.

It does help, especially when crafting an answer specifically to a professional, a student of the technology, an amateur, or a layperson.


Thanks, Semipro Tech. What you are saying is true enough, but it begs the question a bit. There again, my question may make no sense. That wouldn't be a first smile
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#2095438 - 06/04/13 04:29 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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Well there's a degree of trust involved, obviously. People could make things up. But if they stuck around for any length of time people would work it out. We've been on to BDB for years! wink
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#2095562 - 06/04/13 08:23 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: rysowers]
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Originally Posted By: rysowers
Originally Posted By: Glue Collar Worker
The puppy analogy was a hyperbole. You guys don't have the best sense of humor.

Dang! I was so looking forward to the picture of the puppy. Now I find its just hyperbole. How disappointing.
How could you not love a face like that.

I was thinking what some of you guys have said today while tuning. Nothing much else to do then think about stuff.

I had the fortune laugh to tune a new grand with a well known name on the plate and a not so well known name on the fallboard. I thought to myself.. I bet I know why they don't want their name on that fallboard. laugh Yes it seems they're hiding from something laugh
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#2095564 - 06/04/13 08:25 PM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: BDB]
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Forgive me BDB but I had been reading Semipro as Sempiro. I imagined it was a little resort town somewhere warm. You don't come across as Semipro, you seem like one of the most knowledgable guys.
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#2095777 - 06/05/13 12:25 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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seem like a person that state regularly wrong things in "technology" with an appearance of professionalism.
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#2095937 - 06/05/13 02:05 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: David Jenson]
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You are just assuming that someone who has never picked up a tuning hammer may not understand a technical post. There are quite a few " the world is still flat" responses to people wanting to become involved with this trade which can cause issues later.

An example of this type of behavior would be Jay Leno going to a nursing home in Chicago to get a retired machinist to mill him some overdrive gears for one of his Duesenbergs. Why ? because people in this guys field kept telling others no you cannot do it or shutting younger machinsts out and then sooner or later only a few guys on the planet knew how.

Someone told me once that I couldn't build a boat because I had no experience, well I built a boat from mail order plans and sailed it to St Croix and back, lived on it for 6 years until someone begged me to sell it to them?? Huh? but didn't you say I couldn't do it?. I think any motivated person can do anything they desire to do with the right nudging.
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#2095976 - 06/05/13 03:49 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Olek]
phacke Offline

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Loc: CO, USA
Originally Posted By: Olek
seem like a person that state regularly wrong things in "technology" with an appearance of professionalism.


Hello Mr. Oleg,

You mean, like my humor (intended, at least) post in the soundboard thread about grinding wires in the backscale and cutting the soundboard edges with a reciprocating saw to achieve better resonance? Yes, I am very sorry to have confused you and others possibly, so I will buy you dinner next time I am in your city if you would be inclined to make the time.

However, my signature did/does not include any professional affiliation, so the system works if followed.

Kind regards -


Edited by phacke (06/05/13 10:51 AM)
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#2095989 - 06/05/13 05:40 AM Re: Industry/Professional status please [Re: Nash. Piano Rescue]
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Originally Posted By: Nash. Piano Rescue
You are just assuming that someone who has never picked up a tuning hammer may not understand a technical post. There are quite a few " the world is still flat" responses to people wanting to become involved with this trade which can cause issues later.


I think any motivated person can do anything they desire to do with the right nudging.


I think so , up to some point, but the key word here is documentation, plus a certain ability to work material as wood.

Documentation is rare and barely complete, or written in foreign language. I have seen 100/100 amators that could build pianos because of good documentation and maths inclined mind, added to a professional level in piano playing.

But just to find answers so the understanding is coherent it may take a decade or so.

Trainings helps then for practical things as tuning and regulation.
When one stop learning and decide he understood all then he is in trouble.
When he instruct others, then there are big traps.
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