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#2098012 - 06/07/13 05:22 PM Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean
debrucey Offline
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From a recital recently. The microphone seems to have exaggerated seat-squeak and key-thud, sorry about that.



Edited by debrucey (06/07/13 05:22 PM)

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#2098088 - 06/07/13 07:35 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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I don't quite know what to say. I was transfixed by the wonderful control that you show in this piece, by the ease with which you play it and by the wonderful tonal palette that you evoke from the piano.

Others more familiar with the work may have specific points to bring up, but all I can add is :

Thank you!

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#2098119 - 06/07/13 08:17 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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Thanks for sharing, Bruce. You're a wonderful pianist, and this is a wonderful performance!

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#2098261 - 06/07/13 10:14 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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Bruce,

This is one of my favorite pieces of all time to listen to (actually, all of Miroirs...). This is a wonderful performance. One thing I like about listening to impressionist pieces is the way that each performance is colored slightly differently by the specific piano, its tuning, and the unique "voice" of the person sitting at the bench. Your performance is very engaging. Thank you so much for sharing!

I can't wait to hear what you do with Kapustin!!! More Kapustin! grin More Ravel! laugh

--Andy
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#2098444 - 06/08/13 02:17 AM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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just beautiful. thank you.
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#2098468 - 06/08/13 04:48 AM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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Thanks guys. Kapustin coming up smile

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#2098597 - 06/08/13 12:33 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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Beautiful! I don't know the piece well either, but with many performers (even pros) it feels a bit too repetitive to hold my interest - I didn't feel that at all with your performance. As BruceD said, your control is truly impressive.
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#2098753 - 06/08/13 07:24 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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I have this alternate recording too. I can't decide which one I prefer. This one is messier, but a bit more exciting I think.


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#2100157 - 06/10/13 08:44 AM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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I think you paint the impression better in the second recording--that is, a small boat on a chaotic sea--swells and swirls. The recital performance is "tidy" by comparison. grin I enjoyed them both, but you seemed more free in the alternate recording, which helped the music, imo.

Thanks for sharing this one, too!
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#2100303 - 06/10/13 12:49 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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I prefer the second one too - I also think the mics were placed differently in both recordings, because the first one sounded a bit too dry.

Thanks for sharing!! Well done!
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#2100324 - 06/10/13 01:27 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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The first one is a much smaller space. It's quite hard to record in actually. In concerts it sounds very nice but it's really hard to record without it sounding dry.

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#2100357 - 06/10/13 02:01 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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What mics did you use and where were they placed?
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#2100359 - 06/10/13 02:03 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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It's a Zoom Q2HD. Not ideal, obviously I would get better results with separate microphones placed nearer the piano, but needs must.

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#2100364 - 06/10/13 02:09 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
It's a Zoom Q2HD. Not ideal, obviously I would get better results with separate microphones placed nearer the piano, but needs must.


I don't know, the closer you place them to the piano the drier the sound will be. Ideally you'd place one (or two) mics around the first row of the audience, depending on how small or big the hall is..
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#2100399 - 06/10/13 03:01 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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Your rachmaninoff was recorded with mics facing into the piano and it sounds great. Studios will use additional mics placed further away to catch some of the room resonance too I guess. The best recording quality I've ever made was with a pretty close mic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F81LROhEd40
Same room too incidentally


Edited by debrucey (06/10/13 03:01 PM)

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#2100405 - 06/10/13 03:06 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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DeBrucey, having listened to both recordings back to back, I pretty clearly prefer the resonance in your "alternate" recording -- something about it that is richer in feeling, and I don't think that has to do with the performance aspect, but more specifically the recording "chemistry" (really closer to physics, it should be admitted). IMO, you have a special affinity for the Ravelian gesture -- a highly romantic sensibility wedded to an insistence on classical clarity -- and either recording is a delight to listen to!

THanks for sharing these!

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#2100409 - 06/10/13 03:10 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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It also helps that the Steinway in the blue-shirt recording is a much nicer instrument than the one in the red-shirt recording.

Thanks Tim :-)
That is a great description of Ravel's music. Mind if I borrow it? :P

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#2100415 - 06/10/13 03:14 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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No I also had hanging mics (DPAs) so those mics you saw were not all of it...
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#2100417 - 06/10/13 03:17 PM Re: Ravel - Une Barque sur l'Ocean [Re: debrucey]
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I assumed there would have been others. I think if I couldn't do bother and had to choose between close or far setup I'd go for close. But then, I have a preference for a slightly more 'studio-clean' sound in piano recordings.

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