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#2102259 - 06/14/13 12:57 AM Beginner question
King Norre Offline
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Registered: 10/04/02
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I always wanted to learn how to play the piano but never actually got to it (I first registered on this site in 2002, so I guess you can say it took me a while crazy ). I've been playing music for almost 15 years now (bassguitar and upright bass) and now I finally decided to get myself a piano and take some lessons. Tomorrow I'm going to the shop and lay down my hard earned cash. The thing I'm looking for is a digital piano (I live in an appartment so the volume control and ease of trasportations is a plus) with a realistic piano feel and sound. The piano's that got my attention and are in my budget are the Yamaha CLP470B, Kawai CA65 and Kawai CS7. Would you recommend any of these over the others? I was also thinking about maybe buying a Yamaha YDP-162 and safe a little money. Is there a big difference between these models? Anyway, I'm going to the store tomorrow and I'm sure the salesman will tell me all I need to know but it's always nice to hear what other experienced people have to say. Thanks in advance!

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Norre
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#2102276 - 06/14/13 02:43 AM Re: Beginner question [Re: King Norre]
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You haven't stated what your budget actually is but if you can afford the CA-65 or the CS-7 (which is essentially CA-65 in a polished ebony cabinet) then I'd suggest you pick either of those if you find the key action and the sound work for you.

The CLP-470 is a pretty good piano as well even though it has been on the market for a few years now. Yamahas tend to have mellower sound and heavier key action than the Kawai pianos. As for the YDP-162, it is a lower-end piano so I'd suggest you only pick that if you do want to not spend that much.

Regardless of what model you decide to run with, give them all a test run at the dealer's shop to make sure it meets your requirements. smile

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#2102280 - 06/14/13 03:32 AM Re: Beginner question [Re: Clayman]
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Thanks for the info! My budget is 2500€ or less.
Do you maybe recommend other DP’s than the one I listed?
I can test all the piano’s at the shop, but I don’t know how to play so …
I can ask someone else to play to get an idea about the sound, but that’s it.
That’s why I’d like to hear opinions of other people.
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#2102281 - 06/14/13 03:49 AM Re: Beginner question [Re: King Norre]
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I think you have pretty much nailed all the top models in that price range (and cabinet-style models). The CA-65/CS-7 are arguably the best in this class these days. Maybe some fellow forumers will chime in with their opinions.

I'm a complete beginner myself so I had an assistant play a little bit on the piano when I shopped for my CA-95 to get a sense of how it sounds. I'm sure any decent musical instrument store will have someone who can do that for you. smile


Edited by Clayman (06/14/13 03:51 AM)
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#2102348 - 06/14/13 08:52 AM Re: Beginner question [Re: King Norre]
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If you are considering the CLP470, you could save money by getting the 440 instead. There are only three differences between the two models, and you will probably never notice the difference. The 470 has linear graded keys, which means they are each weighted slightly different, instead of in groups. The keys are partially made of wood, which in my experience feels the exact same, but thumps more loudly when playing. The final difference is the sustain pedal has some physical resistance to resemble a physical damper pedal, otherwise it is functionally identical. You will save $700 or more by getting the 440 instead, which you should be able to get for around $2500 delivered.

All that said, it will likely come down to two things between the Yamaha and Kawai. The Kawai has a brighter sound, which has been described as "brittle" by a concert pianist*. The Yamaha main grand piano sound is very mellow and muted (described by the same pianist as being "excellent"). The second aspect is the keys on the Yamaha are rather stiff when you start to press down, described as "stiff". The Kawai feel lighter and not stiff.

*source: http://live.wsj.com/video/the-digital-piano-test/59CD5A19-8532-4CCF-AAB1-D14604C84955.html
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#2102473 - 06/14/13 12:38 PM Re: Beginner question [Re: Daniel Corban]
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Thanks for the info. I just returned from the pianostore. I made my decision and chose the Kawai CA65. It's true that it is a bright sounding piano but if you choose the mellow setting it sounds great. You can even finetune your sound further using the Virtual Technician menu. It also looks great and the keys feel great also.

Ciao,

KN
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