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#2101686 - 06/12/13 07:59 PM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: musicpassion
Some great replies here. I especially like what Keystring had to say.

It remains to be seen whether it is taken seriously by the OP.


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#2101714 - 06/12/13 08:54 PM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Is this going to end up like your last thread?

What ever happened with that teacher?
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#2101815 - 06/13/13 03:37 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Michael_99]
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Love the post.

Yay!

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Learning anything including playing the piano is mostly by sitting at the piano bench following precisely the instructions given to you by the teacher. It is important for people when dealing with teachers, doctors, all professionals that clients/students write a letter full of questions, ideas, goals because as experienced professions, it is not helpful for students and clients to repeat themselves and speak in a disorganized fashion. What is helpful is that students and clients write whatever is on their mind, goals, questions out the music- anything about the subject at hand because as professionals they can quickly scan/read the letters and know instantly what they can do to answer your questions and help you without

I agree, and I usually attempt to do this.
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wasting time with chatter during a lesson of whatever length.

Yes and we could also have a very productive lesson even if it was very long!

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Learning to play the piano is about you, all about you, doing your lessons accurately following the instructions of your teacher. You have to do the work. Most people/students have an extremely difficult time finding enough quality time to practice their lessons assigned by the teacher each week.

Most people, but there are still enough people who are just as talented and focused as you are. There are people in the middle too, and the compeition feels like it is just that fierce.
But of course you are right in saying that if you do not have the mind for it that you won't have a chance period, but it's not like that persons that rare either. You would say that all the people in the middle category won't make it perhaps? And that the kind that gets you successful is so rare that they will end up successful? I wonder how you determine whether you have that in yourself.
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So you have to get plenty of rest, proper exercise, eat properly and concentrate on your goals and not worrying whether or not your teacher is perfect or not. The reason is that a student can become the worlds best piano player even though they have a less than perfect teacher and the worst students that are rich and bright can't play the piano because of their inability to follow the instruction and be sufficiently focused.

Maybe there's always something that someone missed. smile

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I when I was in college in the United States during the Vietman war - I am a Canadian - I went to college/school 5 days a week and so did the rest of the students at school for two years. But I knew a student that only went to night school part-time twice a week and graduated with honours in 6 months - so don't worry about the schools in Europe and be jealous because it sounds like you are so motivated that you could also study piano part-time and be one of best piano players in the world because you have the drive and are focused on your goal.

Thank you. smile It doesn't feel that way to me though! I always feel like I am on the edge and will need a boost of some sort, something extra or I won't make it.

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Again, it is never what you have in an imperfect world, but is what you are able to do when everything isn't working in your favor and you let nothing, absolutely nothing get in your way and prevent you from accomplishlying your goal.

So in terms of piano playing you think that there is nothing ever stopping you? Because again, I am making a generalization but it seems that every single person who was famous, lived near a conservatory that had a good program, had musical parents, found a special teacher, etc. Because they say that the teacher is a big factor, and if that is the case than how can it not get in your way? Even if you try?
But also I think you have a great point, just because people are playing in more recitals doesn't mean they are better than me and if they are it doesn't mean that was for any specific reason aside from how we practiced, but it really seems that way.
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#2101816 - 06/13/13 03:43 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
Don't know if this is the best forum to post this but I don't see anything else that matches better.

I'm so deeply interested in music that I often wish that I had a teacher that was just as enthusiastic about the piano and was willing to go to their limits with me. An hour doesn't seem like it's enough often times. There's so much I want to learn, show, ask, explore but it's not possible because I do not have enough money to pay to see her everyday. However, I have heard of teachers who are willing to do this. Do they usually charge students extra? Where do you find them? I'm a student writing this and therefore feel like I am in dangerous waters for asking this but I can't bring myself to think that there is anything wrong with it because I just want to be more serious and learn. I heard in Europe it's taken more seriously and they even have schools where you would be in 5 hours a day and that makes me jealous. There is more lesson time, recitals, just everything. Most people who succeeded in music seem to have had certain advantages when I think of it. There was probably more flexibility with their teachers but then again, in University I hear that undergrads get half hour lessons so... Thoughts?


You don't happen to live near Edinburgh, do you?


No why?
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#2101817 - 06/13/13 03:44 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Candywoman]
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I think you should practice two hours less per day and use the time to clean houses. That way you will have more money to pay a piano teacher. Also, you will strengthen your hands. At the same time, the three hours in which you do practice will be more focused. You could also clean the house of the piano teacher and use the money to pay for more lessons.


I guess I was not very clear on the money part. All the money I use is my parents, it would be easy for me to persuade/manipulate them into letting me have two lessons a week with my teacher but I'm not willing to do that. There are also more efficient ways for me to accumulate money anyways, if your not kidding about the strengthening my hands part. :pp My parents would never allow me to enter the house of a stranger like that. I was offered a position as a tutor at my college. I think I'm looking for something else in this "dream teacher" I don't even want there to be structure somehow! But so in your opinion, practicing less and managing to get another few lessons will be beneficial? You support the idea of having more time? If I get the lessons won't I have to practice more?
I'd clean my teachers house though, she'd get a kick out of it.
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#2101818 - 06/13/13 03:47 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: malkin]
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Originally Posted By: malkin
Is this going to end up like your last thread?

What ever happened with that teacher?


I'm not exactly sure what you mean but I guess the answers no...unless you bring up the topic of the previous thread, which you just did.

Nothing happened with that teacher, I still see her every week.
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#2101840 - 06/13/13 07:09 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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I don't walk into a shop and ask to take something away for free. In the same way I wouldn't expect anyone to ask for my services without payment.
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#2101904 - 06/13/13 10:30 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
I don't walk into a shop and ask to take something away for free. In the same way I wouldn't expect anyone to ask for my services without payment.


Even if you are passionate about the item?

If money isn't the issue, then manipulating a piano teacher to teach you for free is bizarre. No matter what kind of passion you have for it.

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#2101915 - 06/13/13 10:51 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Here's my advice - stop wishing for something that hardly ever exists, and create some musical opportunities for yourself. Of course it's great to connect musically with your teacher, but there are lots of other people you can connect with as well.

Here are some ideas you could explore:
1. Find a duet partner - or two, or three. Sight read duets together, and pick some more difficult ones that will take more practice.
2. Organize some concerts yourself - at homes for senior citizens, libraries, etc. Your teacher could probably help you find some other students to perform, and would be grateful that you organized it.
3. Look for someone that you could accompany - perhaps a friend plays a different instrument and needs an accompanist?
4. If you go to church, volunteer to play the piano at services.
5. Volunteer to play for the choir at your current school or at an elementary school.
6. Form a band with some friends - you play the keyboard parts.
7. Play percussion for a community band - if you can read music and are willing to try different percussion instruments, it could work out.
8. Take a music theory, or music history course.

Most of my suggestions require a certain level of skill on the piano - if you are practicing 4-5 hours per day, I assume you are close to that level.

You can have fun with music in so many ways - don't depend on your teacher to do all the work.

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#2101921 - 06/13/13 11:07 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: MaggieGirl]
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Originally Posted By: MaggieGirl
Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
I don't walk into a shop and ask to take something away for free. In the same way I wouldn't expect anyone to ask for my services without payment.


Even if you are passionate about the item?



Indeed, even if I am passionate. I have been disrespected and short changed by people who consider themselves decent and would be very upset if one day their boss just decided to omit paying them. Why? Because I am a soft target.

I also do voluntary work - voluntarily - for no money. This is also fine. But I don't do voluntary piano teaching.
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#2102172 - 06/13/13 08:40 PM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
I don't walk into a shop and ask to take something away for free. In the same way I wouldn't expect anyone to ask for my services without payment.


I didn't say I expect it. Doesn't mean I don't want it and that if I were to get it that it would be violating anything. Ask? Really not that bold of a person.
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#2102173 - 06/13/13 08:42 PM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: piano2]
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Originally Posted By: piano2
Here's my advice - stop wishing for something that hardly ever exists, and create some musical opportunities for yourself. Of course it's great to connect musically with your teacher, but there are lots of other people you can connect with as well.

Here are some ideas you could explore:
1. Find a duet partner - or two, or three. Sight read duets together, and pick some more difficult ones that will take more practice.
2. Organize some concerts yourself - at homes for senior citizens, libraries, etc. Your teacher could probably help you find some other students to perform, and would be grateful that you organized it.
3. Look for someone that you could accompany - perhaps a friend plays a different instrument and needs an accompanist?
4. If you go to church, volunteer to play the piano at services.
5. Volunteer to play for the choir at your current school or at an elementary school.
6. Form a band with some friends - you play the keyboard parts.
7. Play percussion for a community band - if you can read music and are willing to try different percussion instruments, it could work out.
8. Take a music theory, or music history course.

Most of my suggestions require a certain level of skill on the piano - if you are practicing 4-5 hours per day, I assume you are close to that level.

You can have fun with music in so many ways - don't depend on your teacher to do all the work.



Yes, nice advice. I should do this for fun, the reason I'm fixated on lesson time is because I'm interested in faster progress, which might be a false impression on my part.

Thank you.
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#2102287 - 06/14/13 04:33 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
I should do this for fun, the reason I'm fixated on lesson time is because I'm interested in faster progress, which might be a false impression on my part.

Thank you.


Ah, yes indeed. Patience...
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#2102771 - 06/15/13 04:09 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: ten left thumbs]
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Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
I should do this for fun, the reason I'm fixated on lesson time is because I'm interested in faster progress, which might be a false impression on my part.

Thank you.


Ah, yes indeed. Patience...


I happen to think of that has a luxury I cannot indulge in. :p Patience? Instead of trying going after the best I can with full force? What's that suppose to mean?
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#2102776 - 06/15/13 04:32 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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"Looking for perfect teacher"

To be honest, in my opinion, you are already being too demanding.

Your "perfect" teacher may already have found the "perfect" student is not you.

In my experience perfect teachers are like perfect wives, or perfect Christmases, or perfect children, or perfect jobs, or...... well, I'm sure you get the picture.

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#2102778 - 06/15/13 04:44 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: slipperykeys]
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"Looking for perfect teacher"

To be honest, in my opinion, you are already being too demanding.

Your "perfect" teacher may already have found the "perfect" student is not you.

In my experience perfect teachers are like perfect wives, or perfect Christmases, or perfect children, or perfect jobs, or...... well, I'm sure you get the picture.


Give me a break, never said I was perfect. There is no such thing as a perfect teacher, it's just a title.

Anyhow, you would consider being demanding a minus in some cases then? I am not allowed to have desires think my own thoughts? I have not made any move in regards to what I mention on this thread. Or are you perhaps coming to this conclusion through other information you have collected about me?
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#2102797 - 06/15/13 06:44 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Theres no such thing as a perfect teacher its always a compromise.

The guy I saw on Sunday ticked all the boxes, he arranges and composes, he even has a grand piano to use...

Except our timetables do not gel at all. He only has open slots when I am working.

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#2102827 - 06/15/13 09:15 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
Originally Posted By: ten left thumbs
Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
I should do this for fun, the reason I'm fixated on lesson time is because I'm interested in faster progress, which might be a false impression on my part.

Thank you.


Ah, yes indeed. Patience...


I happen to think of that has a luxury I cannot indulge in. :p Patience? Instead of trying going after the best I can with full force? What's that suppose to mean?
Why do you think the suggestions given are an "indulgence"? Those very things could give you the "faster progress" you want without having to pay for extra lessons. Also, if you do any accompanying, they have to pay you which could then make more lessons affordable.

There's a saying in the Bible, "If a man does not work, he shall not eat." Don't have enough money for your dreams? Sacrifice a bit of your precious time and earn the money to make it happen. You will be killing two birds with one stone: make money doing what you love so that you can learn more about that which you love. Accompanying or collaborative piano is a more common way you will make a living as a pianist in this day and age. It's impossible to live off the money you'd make as a solo concert pianist. Best to learn some skills that will help you progress as a pianist and make you money.

Yet, for some reason, you seem to think you know best how to progress. You say you want more lessons, but would you really submit to what your teacher says, or would you dictate to them how you wish to go about learning like you are to the teachers on this forum?

You may find the perfect teacher, but are you the perfect student?


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#2102879 - 06/15/13 12:01 PM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
Originally Posted By: slipperykeys
"Looking for perfect teacher"

To be honest, in my opinion, you are already being too demanding.

Your "perfect" teacher may already have found the "perfect" student is not you.

In my experience perfect teachers are like perfect wives, or perfect Christmases, or perfect children, or perfect jobs, or...... well, I'm sure you get the picture.


Give me a break, never said I was perfect. There is no such thing as a perfect teacher, it's just a title.


Give you a break, why? Now you make demands of me and we have never even met. If you read what I wrote you will see I didn't say you were perfect but I see no reason why anybody in a relationship with another person does not have the right to make equal demands.If you want perfection, why shouldn't they?

"It's just a title".

OK, so it doesn't matter then? You didn't mean it?

So do you mean any of the text, or is it, "just text"?
How do I know what bits you mean and what bits you don't mean?
I think you are back-pedalling there.....

Originally Posted By: Musiqientist

Anyhow, you would consider being demanding a minus in some cases then?


Think about what you have written. The obvious answer is, "yes, of course I would", and so would you, if you are really aware of what you are writing. A very simple example is this, you may be demanding in a case where you have no right to be demanding.
I'm sure that annoys you but wouldn't it annoy you if people were demanding of you in a case where they shouldn't be?

Others have the right to demand from you what you demand from them.

Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
I am not allowed to have desires think my own thoughts?


Where have I said that? I really cannot see this relating to what I have said.

Originally Posted By: Musiqientist
I have not made any move in regards to what I mention on this thread. Or are you perhaps coming to this conclusion through other information you have collected about me?


Again you say something I find rather bizarre, but to answer your question, no, you really aren't of any consequence to me.

I hope you find the perfect answer on this web-site.

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#2103153 - 06/16/13 02:39 AM Re: Looking for perfect teacher [Re: Musiqientist]
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Specification for perfect teacher:

Must look like Marilyn Monroe ...
buxome and beautiful ... some like it hot.

But then I'm ugly ... no wonder nobody wants my services.

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