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#2102608 - 06/14/13 07:19 PM Lisitsa at the train station
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Here's Valentina Lisitsa stuck at a train station playing on a street piano. Say what you want about refinement of her interpretation (which is perhaps irrelevant in these circumstances); I think this video demonstrates her attitude towards her fans, which makes them love her.



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#2102618 - 06/14/13 07:49 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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That was wonderful!!!
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#2102622 - 06/14/13 07:58 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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At least she got more attention than Joshua Bell in 2009!
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#2102629 - 06/14/13 08:21 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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I spent a while looking for the full version of La Campanella played on a street piano since it seems like the official cameraman stopped filming in the middle of La Campanella for whatever reason:



Amazing that she got most of the fast repeats to play!

And there's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK3QgUyghpc (only half of it but higher video quality)

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#2102716 - 06/15/13 12:37 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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Why does she roll everything in the nocturne? Actually, why does ANY pianist do this? It sounds like crud! Other than that, props to her for playing so well on quite possibly a horrendous action.

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#2102725 - 06/15/13 01:10 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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I love it whenever professional musicians do things like this. smile

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#2102765 - 06/15/13 03:52 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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That's really swell!

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#2102785 - 06/15/13 05:27 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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I like the rolled chords.

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#2102841 - 06/15/13 09:51 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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Do you guys think it was totally impromptu, as implied, or at least partially planned in advance? I ask because in some of the spectator videos, you can see that the official video was filmed with a professional camera and someone ran some wires.

Now, I guess it's also reasonable that since she was traveling for promotion anyway, the camera guy was already with her, but maybe not.

Just wondering. I love Valentina either way!
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#2102845 - 06/15/13 10:15 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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It's amazing how a great pianist can make a hopelessly-out-of-tune piece of junk sound like...a piano!
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#2102855 - 06/15/13 10:50 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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Yea, probably promotional, but I don't care. That was pretty cool.
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#2102889 - 06/15/13 12:31 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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Apparently a train was delayed. I'll bet Alexei always travels with professional cameras.

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#2103005 - 06/15/13 06:09 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
Do you guys think it was totally impromptu, as implied, or at least partially planned in advance? I ask because in some of the spectator videos, you can see that the official video was filmed with a professional camera and someone ran some wires.



There was a long thread about her appearance at St Pancras in the Piano Forum a few months ago, and there are several Youtubes by several people floating around.

Apparently, the gist of it was that Lisitsa tweeted beforehand that she was going to be there at that time, and many fans turned up to see her play on that clapped-out Grotrian, which I've been told is a permanent fixture at the station (- it's bolted down, including the bench, to stop it from being carted off....).

When I played on it a few weeks later, I discovered that its una corda (actually, 'practice pedal' on that upright) was clamped down, so its volume was very limited, presumably to avoid the tannoy announcements about train departures being drowned out by heavy-handed pianists grin.
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#2103105 - 06/15/13 11:23 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
I like the rolled chords.


I'm not talking about the chords, I'm talking about rolling the hands. Delaying the right hand ever-so-slightly. Yundi Li has a bad habit of doing this too.

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#2103114 - 06/15/13 11:40 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I like the rolled chords.


I'm not talking about the chords, I'm talking about rolling the hands. Delaying the right hand ever-so-slightly. Yundi Li has a bad habit of doing this too.


I've other pianists do that. I've never done it, though.

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#2103116 - 06/15/13 11:41 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: debrucey
I like the rolled chords.


I'm not talking about the chords, I'm talking about rolling the hands. Delaying the right hand ever-so-slightly. Yundi Li has a bad habit of doing this too.


This might answer your question:
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#2103197 - 06/16/13 06:35 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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It's not a bad habit. You just don't like it.

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#2103203 - 06/16/13 07:47 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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The late, great Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli does this routinely (LH before RH) - especially in the Ravel G major concerto's slow movement - to heighten expressiveness in slow cantabile music.

http://youtu.be/ZK6HMtZTeOs
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#2103211 - 06/16/13 08:23 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: debrucey]
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Originally Posted By: debrucey
It's not a bad habit. You just don't like it.


I like it here and there, placed intelligently, but when it's thrown in all over the place to try and sound more emotional it is just awful. It's a musical tool, which can be overused. (and in this case with Val, it is)

I do like her little improvs though. Liszt used to do the same thing around Chopin, to which he replied "Play it right or don't play it at all!". haha

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#2103223 - 06/16/13 08:59 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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They're not improvs.

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#2103237 - 06/16/13 09:59 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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Yes they are.

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#2103249 - 06/16/13 10:29 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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In the Op. 9 nocturne?

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#2103250 - 06/16/13 10:31 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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Yeah, the little non-written variants that she plays.

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#2103282 - 06/16/13 11:35 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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They're not improvs, they're variants from the Mikuli edition

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#2103294 - 06/16/13 11:52 AM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: JoelW]
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Actually I was also curious about those variants and found out that those are original variants for Nocturne Op.9 no.2 written by Chopin himself. They are found in the Weiner Urtext edition (Jan Ekier) or the Polish National edition.

http://thepianoblog.tumblr.com/post/30221076711/valentina-lisitsa-chopins-nocturne-op-9-no-2

You can google "Chopin nocturne authentic variants"

Rumor has it Chopin wrote them because too many unskilled pianists were playing the nocturne badly in parlors and he wanted to make it more difficult...

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#2103303 - 06/16/13 12:28 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: Acca]
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BTW, Lisitsa has been playing the Mikuli variants for some years now, as in many of her Youtube videos and at her Royal Albert Hall concert last year. She added nothing that isn't in the score.
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#2103383 - 06/16/13 03:22 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Yeah, the little non-written variants that she plays.


What bennevis, Acca, and debrucey said. This was just discussed in a thread a couple of months ago maybe, I'm surprised you missed it.
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#2103393 - 06/16/13 03:44 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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How does one obtain a copy of these variants? The pictures on the blog show a third staff line for the extra stuff.

I looked on IMSLP and found the Mikuli variant: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks...Mikuli_Op_9.pdf

But this does not look any different from the version I have.

I think this one on Amazon is it: http://www.amazon.com/Chopin-Nocturnes-9-62-Piano-National/dp/B000VOBTKK/

but its not available. Seems like I can get the Polish National Edition from http://www.presser.com/marketing/keyboard/chopin/ekier.htm but it's $50 for the Nocturnes...

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#2103404 - 06/16/13 04:01 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: Allan W.]
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Originally Posted By: Allan W.
How does one obtain a copy of these variants? The pictures on the blog show a third staff line for the extra stuff.

I looked on IMSLP and found the Mikuli variant: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks...Mikuli_Op_9.pdf

But this does not look any different from the version I have.

I think this one on Amazon is it: http://www.amazon.com/Chopin-Nocturnes-9-62-Piano-National/dp/B000VOBTKK/

but its not available. Seems like I can get the Polish National Edition from http://www.presser.com/marketing/keyboard/chopin/ekier.htm but it's $50 for the Nocturnes...


I think these are from the Ekier edition.
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#2103407 - 06/16/13 04:06 PM Re: Lisitsa at the train station [Re: beet31425]
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