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#2103487 - 06/16/13 07:36 PM Who likes playing trills?
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I have played trills before only on one or two pieces and on those pieces there were not many. For my next exam I am playing pieces with quite a lot of trills and I am really enjoying them.

So, do you play pieces with trills and do you enjoy it?

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#2103499 - 06/16/13 08:12 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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I dislike LH trills because I'm bad at them, but RH trills I am pretty good at and enjoy playing them.

What pieces did you play for your exam?
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#2103521 - 06/16/13 08:42 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: Morodiene]
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I had no idea there was any such thing as left hand trills. All the scores I have seen only have right hand trills. Furthermore whenever I watch professional pianists at concerts, I have never seen them play any trills with the left hand.

http://youtu.be/fUfehRmCmmg

There are only right handed trills in this professional piece

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#2103531 - 06/16/13 08:59 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Don't mean to sound dumb, but what, exactly, is a trill? Is it sort of like an arpeggio?

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#2103534 - 06/16/13 09:03 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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trill
Rapid alternation of two notes that are close together in pitch.

If the notes are farther apart, it's called a tremolo.
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#2103543 - 06/16/13 09:18 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: adultpianist
So, do you play pieces with trills and do you enjoy it?


I don't play pieces with trills in them. I enjoy trills. My pieces end up with trills in them. It's usually when I forget to take my medication. I try to tell my teacher I'm improvising. She doesn't believe me. I don't get a happy face on my piece. frown

Hope you enjoyed the humor. smile


Seriously.....I haven't gotten into trills yet.
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#2103551 - 06/16/13 09:28 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Rapid alternation of two notes that are close together in pitch.

If the notes are farther apart, it's called a tremolo.

Thanks...

I guess I could have Googled it, but figured I'd ask here.

Yes, I play trills frequently; now I know what I'm actually doing, by definition. smile

Of course, I think I play the tremolo more often; goes well with the boogie chops. smile

Rick
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#2103554 - 06/16/13 09:29 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: adultpianist
I had no idea there was any such thing as left hand trills. All the scores I have seen only have right hand trills. Furthermore whenever I watch professional pianists at concerts, I have never seen them play any trills with the left hand.

http://youtu.be/fUfehRmCmmg

There are only right handed trills in this professional piece

Bach Two-Part Invention no. 4, LH trill at 0:36:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0_MldtHSyE

Chopin Marche funebre, LH trills at 1:26:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0mAbw-niI8

There are many other examples of LH trills, but they do indeed exist. smile
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#2103564 - 06/16/13 09:52 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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I love trills, great fun to play once they're sorted out (which can take some doing).

I've even come to appreciate that LH trill in Bach invention #4, except for ending it (still a bit awkward).

Some of my favorite trills are in Mendelssohn Op. 30 no. 6 (Venetian Boat Song) and Chopin Mazurka 47 (op 68 no.2).
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#2103567 - 06/16/13 09:59 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Last 4th of July another pianist, a trumpet, and I played Sousa's Stars and Stripes Forever. I got to do the piccolo part on the piano. That has a long trill at the end. That was fun smile

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#2103574 - 06/16/13 10:23 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: Rickster]
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Originally Posted By: Rickster
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Rapid alternation of two notes that are close together in pitch.

If the notes are farther apart, it's called a tremolo.

Thanks...

I guess I could have Googled it, but figured I'd ask here.

Yes, I play trills frequently; now I know what I'm actually doing, by definition. smile

Of course, I think I play the tremolo more often; goes well with the boogie chops. smile

Rick


How can you have been playing trills frequently without knowing what they were? Surely if you are following the music score you will see tr above the notes and you play trils

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#2103576 - 06/16/13 10:29 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Originally Posted By: Rickster

Thanks...
I guess I could have Googled it, but figured I'd ask here.
Yes, I play trills frequently; now I know what I'm actually doing, by definition. smile
Of course, I think I play the tremolo more often; goes well with the boogie chops. smile
Rick


How can you have been playing trills frequently without knowing what they were? Surely if you are following the music score you will see tr above the notes and you play trils


I will answer for my buddy Rick..."What music score?"

Blues and Boogie-Woogie is most often played ad-lib...no score, and Rick is real good at it, but he will never admit it. laugh
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#2103635 - 06/17/13 01:44 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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just started my first piece with a couple of trills, trying to develop them is a little tough but just needs to be practiced. Also just started a piece with a couple of mordents which are easier than trills but still a little tricky for me. No doubt you will see and hear the fruits of my labour in the piano bar.
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#2103640 - 06/17/13 01:57 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Nah then - what sort o` trills are we talking about? There are Tudor Trills (harpsichord) and Irish Trills usually done on a penny whistle or something . . .

I can only do Irish trills on the piano. They usually involve more than two notes. Naughty me..

These are the only ones that interest me at the moment . . .
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#2103680 - 06/17/13 05:08 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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I adore trills. I eat them for breakfast. Just as well, because Chopin adored them too apparently. He ate them for breakfast, lunch and supper. Whole measures of them. Fast, slow, long and short. He apparently didn't take his meds either.

Another left hand trill is in Chopin's op 62/2 nocturne, neasure 49 which in the right left hand makes a rather ominous rumble. I do what I can.
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#2103720 - 06/17/13 07:57 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: rocket88
I will answer for my buddy Rick..."What music score?"

Blues and Boogie-Woogie is most often played ad-lib...no score, and Rick is real good at it, but he will never admit it. laugh

Thanks, Rocket88!

Well, I hate to show my ignorance about reading music here, but I've been having so much fun with the playing by-ear thing, I don't spend much time learning the score/sheet (I’m embarrassed blush ). Of course, now I know what a trill is.

By-the-way, I love your Boogie CD! It puts a smile on my face every time I listen to it... smile

My goal is to play as well as you one of these days!! smile

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#2103740 - 06/17/13 09:03 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Mostly I don't because I find them hard to get right. But sometimes, one creeps in and I think, "Yes!"
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#2103743 - 06/17/13 09:17 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Bach Two-Part Invention no. 4, LH trill at 0:36:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0_MldtHSyE


Now this is a LH trill that I have learned to hate. At least my thumb has. I finally accepted slow and regular over fast and ragged. wink


Edited by SwissMS (06/17/13 11:02 AM)
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#2103745 - 06/17/13 09:25 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: SwissMS]
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Originally Posted By: SwissMS
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Bach Two-Part Invention no. 4, LH trill at 0:36:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0_MldtHSyE


Now this is a LH trill that I have learn to hate. At least my thumb has. I finally accepted slow and regular over fast and ragged. wink


Hated this one. Ugh, ugh, ugh. Not that the right hand one was much better wink
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#2103758 - 06/17/13 10:07 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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A trill requires some forearm rotation, right? So it's not only a test for technique, but an aid in learning it.
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#2103775 - 06/17/13 10:41 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: TimR]
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Originally Posted By: TimR
A trill requires some forearm rotation, right? So it's not only a test for technique, but an aid in learning it.


I've seen some debate on this. I've seen - yes, definitely. And I've seen, only when the thumb is involved. For me, it seems to work best only for thumb trills.
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#2103778 - 06/17/13 10:55 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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I've seen it argued both ways too. But since you can't play a tremolo without rotation, I tend to think it's important for the trill too, but gets minimized to the point where it's hard to see.
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#2104123 - 06/17/13 11:25 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: TimR]
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I've seen it argued both ways too. But since you can't play a tremolo without rotation, I tend to think it's important for the trill too, but gets minimized to the point where it's hard to see.
I agree, there has to be some of this movement in there, but you really don't see it unless doing a thumb trill.
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#2104135 - 06/17/13 11:44 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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There's a nice juicy one at the end of the c sharp nocturne I'm playing now! smile
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#2104242 - 06/18/13 08:01 AM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Speaking of trills - there's this one, a notorious fragment by Chopin from his Majorcan nightmare that our own Dr Jeff Kallberg turned into a playable piece. There are several pdfs of the score out there. It's all left hand trills.
Chopin's "Devil's Trill"
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#2104480 - 06/18/13 04:12 PM Re: Who likes playing trills? [Re: adultpianist]
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Yes I like playing Couperin and Rameau and they use lots of ornaments such as trills.

For example here

http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/moissoneurs.mp3

that piece also has a few trills with the LH


Edited by wouter79 (06/18/13 04:14 PM)
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