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#2103850 - 06/17/13 01:28 PM Humor and piano lessons
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#2104344 - 06/18/13 11:53 AM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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I'm not certain how humorous this is, actually. I've run into every type listed and I suspect more. Once I had a parent who thought I overcharged for lessons. She didn't mind her $95,000 annual salary, benefits included, for teaching students 26 - 28 hours a week, but $27.50 per student for teaching 36 students (roughly the same number of teaching hours) was really excessive.
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#2104435 - 06/18/13 02:33 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: John v.d.Brook]
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Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook
I'm not certain how humorous this is, actually. I've run into every type listed and I suspect more. Once I had a parent who thought I overcharged for lessons. She didn't mind her $95,000 annual salary, benefits included, for teaching students 26 - 28 hours a week, but $27.50 per student for teaching 36 students (roughly the same number of teaching hours) was really excessive.

John, there's the value that parents think they're getting from teachers and music. Having a higher income doesn't mean they want to pay for something that isn't worth it. Really, it's a business and psychology issue.

For example, most people can afford designer jeans, but that doesn't mean they want to pay for designer jeans.

I would only pay for certain types of designer jeans, but there are people who would only wear designer jeans. I look at the fit, style, cut, and colour to decide if I want to pay for it. It's a matter of value.

As teachers, we have to convey this value; my clients are happy to pay me, even when I ask for a raise. They want to keep my service because they know that I'm worth it.

You can probably think of someone you're happy to pay because of the value they provide for you. Like, your piano tuner? Cleaner? Phone service?

The key is to convey this value. Lots of people struggle with this, so you're not alone.

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#2104438 - 06/18/13 02:41 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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I don't find them that funny, tbh. However, among the "recommended action" there is something that I would like to see there. Namely that before lessons ever start, the teacher sits down with the parent to explain what the roles are, how the parent can help, and invite a time for questions and clarification. Is that part there? How will a parent know what his or her role is, what to expect of lessons or of their child, unless they are told? If it's not there, this might prevent some of the aggravation. smile

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#2104483 - 06/18/13 04:16 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
.... before lessons ever start, the teacher sits down with the parent to explain what the roles are, how the parent can help....


Other than the most elementary level, I don't think the teachers would expect the parents to help, even in the unlikely case a parents is technically able to. Ensure there is sufficient practice time is probably all (not saying it is easy).

Creating a positive atmospheric and encourage kids to learn, of course helps, but it is an art and science of it's own, only loosely related to the piano teaching, or the teaching profession as a whole. That art and science is called parenting, which a teacher may or may not know.

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#2104500 - 06/18/13 04:37 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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I don't find any of these humorous in the least.
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#2104506 - 06/18/13 04:48 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: The Monkeys]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
.... before lessons ever start, the teacher sits down with the parent to explain what the roles are, how the parent can help....


Other than the most elementary level, I don't think the teachers would expect the parents to help, even in the unlikely case a parents is technically able to. Ensure there is sufficient practice time is probably all (not saying it is easy).

I wrote more than you quoted, and I'm not sure that you understood what I was trying to say. The entire article lists things that parents do which hamper the teacher's work. A parent must know what his or her role is. NOT doing anything is also helping the teacher's work, if that is what the teacher wants. Showing interest in order to motivate the child can be a way of helping. If a parent does not know what to do, and what not to do, then there is a strong chance that one of the listed problems will surface.

Of course there will be parents who ignore that advice, but to some degree it should be preventive - i.e. if it has never been given.

It is not an hypothesis of mine that maybe teachers might be concerned about parental roles. It has been discussed many times.

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#2104567 - 06/18/13 06:30 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: Bluoh]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bluoh

John, there's the value that parents think they're getting from teachers and music. Having a higher income doesn't mean they want to pay for something that isn't worth it. Really, it's a business and psychology issue.

For example, most people can afford designer jeans, but that doesn't mean they want to pay for designer jeans.

I would only pay for certain types of designer jeans, but there are people who would only wear designer jeans. I look at the fit, style, cut, and colour to decide if I want to pay for it. It's a matter of value.

As teachers, we have to convey this value; my clients are happy to pay me, even when I ask for a raise. They want to keep my service because they know that I'm worth it.

You can probably think of someone you're happy to pay because of the value they provide for you. Like, your piano tuner? Cleaner? Phone service?

The key is to convey this value. Lots of people struggle with this, so you're not alone.

Nah, I found out from her colleagues that she was just plain chincy all around. Most of my parents are the pleasant, we like you and your teaching and value it highly type parents. Thankfully!
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#2104582 - 06/18/13 06:57 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: John v.d.Brook]
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Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook
Nah, I found out from her colleagues that she was just plain chincy all around. Most of my parents are the pleasant, we like you and your teaching and value it highly type parents. Thankfully!

That's good! I did a survey with indie music teachers recently and almost all of them said that policy was the most important thing to establish in a studio.

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#2104588 - 06/18/13 07:07 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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I don't find these thing funny, but I do see a lot of truth in them. I see more irony here...
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#2104830 - 06/19/13 11:06 AM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: Gary D.]
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perhaps "irony" is well put. Many piano teachers are glad to know we share a common culture. At least that's the gist of the responses I've been getting.
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#2104840 - 06/19/13 11:25 AM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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Music32, I'd like to know what you think of my idea of guiding parents before lessons begin? If they don't know what their role is, they can adopt anything in the vacuum. While people are stubborn and do their own thing regardless, I'm thinking that this might prevent at least some of it. You can't change what you don't know.

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#2104863 - 06/19/13 12:08 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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IV. The Never on Time Parent

Lessons are always delayed by at least 10 to 20 minutes due to 1) a last minute stop at the gas pump, 2) a major traffic jam, or 4) a misunderstanding about which parent was supposed to pick up the child from school.


I am sure that The Never on Time Parent will forget that they need to get to #3 before #4......is that right?

Hahaha....very funny and humor....
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#2104870 - 06/19/13 12:43 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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I thought they were amusing.

I'm not a piano teacher, but I read the piano teachers' forum regularly. Teachers post their frustrations with these types of parents again and again. It almost makes you wonder if parents everywhere are in on a conspiracy to drive piano teachers nuts.

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#2105141 - 06/19/13 11:25 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: BrainCramp]
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Originally Posted By: BrainCramp
It almost makes you wonder if parents everywhere are in on a conspiracy to drive piano teachers nuts.
You may be on to something smirk
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#2105904 - 06/21/13 06:15 PM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: BrainCramp
It almost makes you wonder if parents everywhere are in on a conspiracy to drive piano teachers nuts.
You may be on to something smirk


Maybe there's a 'parent mode' that people have. I know piano teachers who are parents themselves and have been known to drive people nuts (which the parent-piano-teachers have admitted themselves).

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#2110935 - 07/01/13 01:00 AM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: shirlkirsten]
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I recognise a few of these smile

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#2110953 - 07/01/13 02:11 AM Re: Humor and piano lessons [Re: BrainCramp]
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Originally Posted By: BrainCramp
It almost makes you wonder if parents everywhere are in on a conspiracy to drive piano teachers nuts.


DRIVE piano teachers nuts? I always thought that was a job qualification for you guys. wink
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