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#2102949 - 06/15/13 03:07 PM yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt
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Hi guys.

I just wanted to know which one will be better for a software piano using kontakt.

My current keyboard which is unweighted doesn't work very well. You have to turn down the dynamics for it to work .

I've read that the casio has a Tri sensor design and can handle high velocity input.

Does that make it better suited for software pianos?
Or this doesn't really matter.

Or is it just Technical specifications that don't really matter.

I don't mind the action on them both tbh.

Prefer the Casio but i'm worried that the heavier keys would cause fatigue due to a condition I have where my muscles tire prematurely.

I will make my decision after I contemplate the advantages and disadvantages.

PS: I already have an FC3 pedal with half pedaling so it would make sense to go with the Yamaha.
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#2103014 - 06/15/13 06:43 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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No software pianos that I know of except for PianoTeq make use of high resolution MIDI, so at the moment that won't make a difference.

The triple sensor thing may make a difference depending on your level of skill and what type of music you play. Definitely a point on Casio's side. On the minus side, be aware that the Casio is capable of half-pedal but the pedal it comes with does not support it and a generic pedal will not work. You have to get the stand and SP33 pedal attachment if you want partial pedal, which I think you should.

However, the above is a small consideration when compared with the preferences your fingers have after playing both. Either piano would work well as a MIDI controller, but you want one that feels good/natural to you.

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#2103108 - 06/15/13 11:33 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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I was thinking that although I prefer the casio because of its more solid feel. I should still get the yamaha because I have the fc3 pedal already, and the lighter keys would probably be better for my health.

And when the time comes for a real piano I would find one with a lightweight key action for the same reason

Thinking along the lines that The pianist tends to adjust to the instrument being played etc.

And in my case a lighter action would be appropriate due to my unique situation.

On the other hand the casio px130 wasn't that particularly heavy, it was comfortable but after some time may get tiring. However, the problem lies in the part for the stand and pedal .. Extra costs. Casio resale value in my country is next to nothing. Build quality may not be as high as yamaha..

I am concerned that the px150 action is even heavier than the px130
And I have no access to a px150 locally.

Furthurmore,
With the yamaha I can choose to sell after some years and upgrade to a roland perhaps, or not upgrade at all if I grow to like the ghs action.

Eitherway I'm upgrading from a unweighted keyboard with 32note polyphony. I doubt I would be unhappy with my decision.

Lots of factors to take into consideration and my head is spinning to make this decision.

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#2103111 - 06/15/13 11:37 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Thanks a lot for your help with previous posts btw. I posted my opinions on the Sony v6 for your benefit. It's an amazing headphones and I am still puzzled that i prefer it to headphones that cost five times as much(beats)

Don't get me wrong there isn't anything wrong with the beats.
Just too bass heavy for my tastes.
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#2103112 - 06/15/13 11:37 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Just goes to show that you don't always have to spend big bucks to get something you truly will be happy with.
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#2103138 - 06/16/13 01:26 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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That's because Beats headphones are absolutely terrible for the price.

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#2103186 - 06/16/13 04:43 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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True.

HD598 would be better i assume. Always wondered about bower and Wilkins if they were any good. . But I love my v6. Very impressed so far and I'm very picky.
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#2103329 - 06/16/13 01:04 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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I agree with MTA on the 130- it is a high quality action; but does have a tendency do get a little tiring but they had the best intentions when designing it.
If you are not using the internal sounds nor speakers you might prefer the px150's action.
I had the P95 for years and intend on using the px130 to control my soon to be PC Audio/recording setup.
My main piano right now is my SP280 and I find it less fatiguing than the pX130 and a little more pleasant than the p95
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#2103363 - 06/16/13 02:19 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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There is no difference in the weight of the action between a PX-130 and PX-150
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#2103485 - 06/16/13 07:30 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Would I be correct in assuming that the Yamaha GHS action would be the least tiring out of them all?

I played these pianos only for a short time so it's difficult to determine which one will cause my muscles to tire quicker.

The action on the GHS wasn't all that bad for me. I've played lighter actions on real pianos believe it or not.
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#2103488 - 06/16/13 07:41 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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I seriously doubt there are any korgs available locally.
The Action of the px130 and 150 are the same u say Mike Martin?
Well that's good news. I can go try out the px130 once more before I make a decision but i'm really leaning on the Yamaha because of it's lighter action.

It would make sense that a lighter action would be less fatiguing.

I've heard that roland actions are between the Yamaha GHS and casio actions in term of keyweight.. If I can get my hands on one I may upgrade from the Yamaha eventually to a roland.
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#2103647 - 06/17/13 02:16 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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i'm really leaning on the Yamaha because of it's lighter action.

Be careful. GHS is light until you get further into the keyboard where the facia starts . . .than it ain`t so light anymore! To be honest, I don`t think many others are so different.
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#2103662 - 06/17/13 03:21 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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I forgot to check to see if that was a problem with the casio as well.. I'm aware it gets very stiff as u furthur into the keybed.

Watched a comparison of the fp50 and fp80 from roland. This was a concern for the fp50. The guy doing the review said it was taken care of in the fp80 in addition to the better action.

Really sucks that you gotta buy a stand and pedal for the casio to get half pedaling.

Was contemplating the p35 which actually comes with an fc3 pedal.
But no USB connectivity so I'd have to get an adapter. Bleh.

Peterws are you looking for a new digital piano as well or were you quoting me?
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#2103664 - 06/17/13 03:22 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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I'm aware ghs gets stiff furthur into the keybed*
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#2103685 - 06/17/13 05:49 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Should I consider the yamaha p35?

It is very tempting. Has ghs. Compatible with fc3 pedal so there is half pedaling.

I am on a budget and can get it for cheap.

32 note polyphony/awm samples won't matter if strictly using it as a software piano.
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#2103687 - 06/17/13 05:52 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Software pianos has 256note polyphony. Samples are awesome. I basically just need the keybed and half pedal capability which the p35 has right?

This is going to be a home piano perminently hooked up to the computer in my room.

Only problem I see is the USB connectivity but it does have midi out. Would a sanoxy midi to USB interface work well ?

Are there any problems with the midi to USB conversion or it shouldn't pose any problems? If none I'm seriously considering the p35.
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#2103690 - 06/17/13 06:14 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Originally Posted By: Mta88

The Action of the px130 and 150 are the same u say Mike Martin?


No, I didn't say that. I said the weight of the action is the same.


Edited by Mike_Martin (06/17/13 07:15 AM)
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#2103691 - 06/17/13 06:20 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Hi MTA88,I've just chosen P105 because I don't like very much Casio Sound.
But it's only matter of taste smile

What kind of music do you like to play?


Edited by foster12 (06/17/13 06:21 AM)
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#2103703 - 06/17/13 06:59 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Hi foster12. I play a little bit of everything. But yiruma and ludovico einaudi being two favorites.
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#2103725 - 06/17/13 08:09 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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My take is that if you like the GHS action over the Casio actions, especially if you have hand problems, and will use a software piano, then the P35 is just fine. The only niggle for me would be if I ever wanted to use just the inbuilt sounds and speakers.

Having said that, I do think the Casio actions are better in the sense of closer feel to an acoustic, if that is what you want, but they may also be harsher, as with just about all hammer type actions than GHS. On another thread someone described GHS as like playing through oil or treacle, and yes maybe, it is softer and that is why it's better for people with hand problems. Exceptions might be some of the Kawai's with the shallow feel to the key, my last experience with that is on a CA63.

Difficult to make a direct recommendation for you mta88 with 'muscle fatigue' problems. You need to play them for yourself.

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#2103896 - 06/17/13 03:18 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Funds are tight so I think I will go for the p35. Don't think it's worth it to go for the p105 when all I wanna do is run a software piano with half pedaling and weighted keys.
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#2103924 - 06/17/13 04:01 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Also strongly considering the korg sp170s
In case I ever want to play the piano alone

From what I understand the action is lightweight like the ghs.

Maybe in between ghs and Casio's heavier action.

Can anyone comment on the NH action of the new korgs?
I try to ignore that guy from azpianos because he seems to be very biased from the way he writes.

Korg comes with half pedaling pedal as well so another plus.
Built in speakers are decent enough.

If the korg is between ghs and casio in terms of keyweight it might very well be the perfect instrument for me.

As I said previously there are none that I can try locally.
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#2103955 - 06/17/13 05:05 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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the sp280 looks amazing tbh. 22 Watt speakers would be pretty cool.

Doesn't seem to be very popular in these forums though.
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#2104019 - 06/17/13 07:34 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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I think I am the only one that owns it. In response to your other post- the AZ guy doesn't like anything that isn't Casio. I like many Casios as well and have a PX130.
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#2104194 - 06/18/13 02:59 AM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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Definitely think I will give korg a chance. They are a very small company but they shell out decent products it seems.
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#2106301 - 06/22/13 03:29 PM Re: yamaha P105 vs Casio px150 for Kontakt [Re: Mta88]
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So I caved and went with the yamaha p105.

The problems with the korgs eg the clicky keys, as showed in a YouTube video on another post, scared me off as I can't use any warrenty where I'm from.

Got a refurbished black p105. Can't wait for it to arrive.
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