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#2104528 - 06/18/13 05:15 PM Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky
Akihiko Hoshino Offline
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Registered: 09/18/12
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I really have one unknown question.

Why Ms.Golandsky leave Taubman Institution many years ago ??

And she grab the other three great teachers(John,Robert,Mary) to her institution.

Did anybody know why???? sick


Edited by Akihiko Hoshino (06/18/13 05:16 PM)

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#2104557 - 06/18/13 06:02 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
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I'm not clear on the answer, but it does appear to me that Ms. Golandsky teaches in some ways very differently from some other Taubman Approach teachers. Some of her videos look kind of crazy to me compared to what my own Taubman-style teacher does. Yet Ms. Golandsky seems to be the "official" Taubman Approach expert. I will see what more I can find out.

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#2104623 - 06/18/13 08:16 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
Derulux Offline
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I know the answer, but it is a pointless question. It sounds to me like you really want to ask a follow-up question, so why not start there? wink
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#2104698 - 06/19/13 01:11 AM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
Akihiko Hoshino Offline
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I want to say I just want the gossip.
Cuz I found Taubman seminar's teachers dont want to talk about Golandsky.
Golandsky also doesnt want to tlak about teachers there, too .

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#2104703 - 06/19/13 01:39 AM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
Derulux Offline
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There can't be two "top" authorities on the subject. Consider it more a marketing/PR device than any "real" issue between the institutes. The result is really not a reflection of the cause, which was actually more benign than you'd think. If you're looking for "juicy gossip," I'm afraid all you'd get is dry toast.
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#2104934 - 06/19/13 03:46 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
gluecks Offline
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It's a bit sad that Golandsky disabled comments on all her youtube videos and doesnt seem to reply to PMs.

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#2104972 - 06/19/13 05:32 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
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Hi Aki,

I was a student and "practice assistant" at the Taubman Institute during the 80s and 90s, until shortly before the split happened. Of course Edna doesn't want to talk about the split, nor did Dorothy during her lifetime, nor did Enid Stettner, Taumban's executive director.

There was a lot of bad feeling about Edna's departure, and still is. This was all due to poor interpersonal dynamics, basic disagreements about where both Dorothy's institute and any side business was going, and how it was going to be managed and by whom.

That's about the extent of it. This kind of rupture is very typical of arts non-profit organizations, and the egos and personality problems one often runs into in them. Yes, there was a lot of backstabbing going on at that time, and after. And that's all anybody needs to know. If you want more juicy details, you'll have to wait for the unauthorized biography to come out (if one ever does).

However, I can say with certainty that Dorothy's and Edna's break had nothing to do with disagreements they allegedly had about the technique. Those are all urban legends that have no basis in truth. Here's a short article I wrote about Dorothy's method for Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Taubman

This is still the best-practice technical model and basic methodology taught by the faculties of both institutes today. The pedagogical approach has evolved somewhat. Dorothy evolved it quite a bit during her lifetime, and Dorothy's surviving faculty, and Edna and her people, continue to do so today. So the way they teach the method has changed, and continues to do so. But the basic concept and goals of the technique have not changed at all. The video lectures that Edna sells on her website, the ones where she presents Dorothy's technical model in 10 DVDs? Those were produced at the Institute summer session in Amherst. And they are still just as valid today as they were then, or Edna wouldn't sell them.

Hope this helps!


Edited by laguna_greg (06/20/13 09:54 AM)
Edit Reason: even more oops
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#2105284 - 06/20/13 10:45 AM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
Akihiko Hoshino Offline
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Thank you for your essay and reply.

I want to ask this because my friend mentioned 'Taubman seminar'
before Edan,and Edan became very very very unhappy.

This shocked my friend,he dosen't know why they all from the
same system,why she become so cold.

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#2105297 - 06/20/13 11:11 AM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
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Hi Aki,

Glad to be of some help. Dorothy and Edna were very close before Edna left and had been for more than 20 years. Dorothy felt very betrayed by her leaving, as well as a few other people who also left at that time without her blessing. I don't think Dorothy ever forgave Edna for it, and I'm sure Edna has very mixed feelings about it now that Dorothy has passed away.
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#2105759 - 06/21/13 01:25 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
Akihiko Hoshino Offline
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Registered: 09/18/12
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Sad
I saw Edan pose the picture on facebook,
which Edan and Dorothy hold hands on the couch.

I guess Edan didn't partcipant the funeral......

Be a human,so hard.

Thank you for the answer,I learned Taubman Technique since 2011,
and helpd me a lot.

Thank you , Dorothy Taubman

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#2105963 - 06/21/13 08:53 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
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I sense an urge to pass judgment in this thread, and I'd like to suggest caution about this for those who don't know all the circumstances--or maybe even for those who do!

I don't claim to know all the circumstances myself. In fact, I don't really consider them to be my business, though I can understand the OP's curiosity.

I do know that the people involved--such as the great teachers mentioned--are not valuables to be "grabbed," but brilliant folks with independent judgment, dedication, and a deep gratitude for Taubman's teaching that is displayed daily in everything they do.
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#2105971 - 06/21/13 09:17 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: jdw]
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Hi JD,

I don't think anybody's necessarily doing that here. Not yet, anyway! Many people who were not there at the time the split happened don't understand why there would is still some obvious tension now.

That's all!
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#2106059 - 06/22/13 02:09 AM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: laguna_greg]
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Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
Hi JD,

I don't think anybody's necessarily doing that here. Not yet, anyway! Many people who were not there at the time the split happened don't understand why there would is still some obvious tension now.

That's all!

My grandparents divorced 40 years ago. They still don't talk, even though they live 5 miles apart, and when they come to family functions, they won't even sit in the same room. Heck, they won't even stay in the same hotel!

There was no scandal. There was no wild, crazy, juicy story.

Sometimes, even in the most innocuous of circustances, emotions run deep and the effects last a long time. That doesn't mean anything "serious" or "tragic" or "any-other-horrible-word" happened.

Also, there really isn't any "tension" that I've ever felt, and I've met everyone involved (except Dorothy). I think threads like this, and "water cooler" speculative conversations about it want to make it a much bigger deal than it is. Unfortunately, it's not.

Mountain, meet mole hill. wink
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#2106246 - 06/22/13 02:03 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Derulux]
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Derulux,

Exactly. It's all wasted breath about a bunch of nothing.

Oh but at that time and the period leading up to it, feelings ran very deep. And the fur flew long and hard, and from one coast to the other. For some people I think they still do.

Do you have lessons with Bob Durso? I know he's in Philly.
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#2106906 - 06/23/13 07:18 PM Re: Ask about unknown things between Taubman and Golandsky [Re: Akihiko Hoshino]
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I studied with him for 5 years, and we still keep in touch. He is a wonderful pianist and one of the best teachers (in any field, not just music) I've ever known.
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