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#2107868 - 06/25/13 02:31 PM the keyboard
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hello guys, im new, and, pardon me if I misspell words, my key board is weird, but, I need some help with the piano piece commonly known as, "The Entertainer", by Scott Joplin, the song book im playing it from Is jane smisor bastien's piano for adults book 1 the green book, I have just about all of it down except for a few measures, the fingering is really throwing me off, for the left hand, and doesn't make much sense. if you need any images, please ask, and I will gladly supply them, thanks, tyler.

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#2107891 - 06/25/13 03:22 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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You really need to indicate exactly where and which hand you need suggestions for. Even better, post some pictures of the measures in question. Don't expect anyone here to spell out the complete fingering of the entire piece wink
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#2107899 - 06/25/13 03:40 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: wouter79]
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unfortunately, I don't know how to read notes without the letters written in, so, I need help with the left hand n im not too sure bout how to put pics in my post without a url, sorry, I asked a user, damon ws it? I asked him how to do so, im waitng for reply, but ill try to supply an image.

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#2107903 - 06/25/13 03:44 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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To post an image, the key as you have mentioned is to get the image on a website somewhere so you have a URL for it. One way to do that is as follows:

Go to the Piano World upload page. (If you forget where it is, just google "Piano World upload" and it's the first result.) Follow the directions to upload your image.

After you click "Submit Form" you will come to a page with an error message. Ignore the error message and check your email for an email with the link for your uploaded image. Use that link in your post to Piano World.
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#2107914 - 06/25/13 04:03 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Another way to do it (one that I use fairly often) is to find a PDF of the score somewhere on the Internet (usually this site), take a screenshot of the measure(s) in question, upload the screenshot to an image-hosting website, and then insert the image into my post using that link.
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#2107923 - 06/25/13 04:24 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Edited by Tyler Tomko (06/25/13 04:34 PM)

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#2107926 - 06/25/13 04:26 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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I need help with those 2 chords and a couple other, ill uplod them in bit when you want them

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#2107927 - 06/25/13 04:26 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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So the issue is what exactly? The LH fingering doesn't seem to be too complex.
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#2107929 - 06/25/13 04:27 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Doesn't it say to just do 1-3-5 on everything?
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#2107933 - 06/25/13 04:31 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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The second chord is misidentified. The lowest note is not D. What is the lowest note actually, you may ask? Compare it carefully to the chord just before it and see if that suggests the answer.
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#2107936 - 06/25/13 04:32 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Tyler, can you edit your post to just include a link to the pic instead of the pic itself? It seems to be causing the page to be unnaturally and exasperatingly wide. Thanks.
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#2107937 - 06/25/13 04:32 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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yeah, BUT, the two chords are the same, and it says on the music, two different f aflat c, and then there is the same chord with d aflat c, what is it? whats the right one? what are those 2 chords? they are the same though! it relly frustrating!

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#2107940 - 06/25/13 04:34 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Obviously two identical chords cannot be different. Both chords are F-Ab-C, or F minor root position triads. Is that what you were having trouble with?
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#2107941 - 06/25/13 04:34 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Tyler, you cross-posted with me. Check my post two posts up from me.

If you can SEE that the two chords are the same, then wouldn't that suggest that the letters written in have gone wrong somewhere?
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#2107945 - 06/25/13 04:38 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Looks like he wasn't the only one who cross-posted. grin
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#2107946 - 06/25/13 04:38 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: PianoStudent88]
Tyler Tomko Offline
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then whats the answer? whts the correct chord? I have no idea!

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#2107947 - 06/25/13 04:38 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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[cross-posted again]

Tyler, did you write the letters in or did someone else?

If you wrote them in, you would benefit from learning more ways to check your work for reasonableness. Two identical chords with different letters written in is not reasonable.

If someone else wrote them in, you would benefit from learning how to identify notes for yourself, so you are not at the mercy of someone else's mistakes.

Do you have any propects to learn to read music without writing the letter names in?


Edited by PianoStudent88 (06/25/13 04:39 PM)
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#2107951 - 06/25/13 04:41 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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I believe you have mislabeled the second chord in the first measure, which is the same as the first one in the left hand (FAbC).......looks like you have written in DAbC.


edited to update for multiple responses:

Tyler it is F-Ab-C (BOTH). someone mislabeled the 2nd one.


Edited by JimF (06/25/13 04:45 PM)
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#2107953 - 06/25/13 04:42 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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[cross-posted -- and now JimF has provided an answer as well.]

Originally Posted By: Tyler Tomko
then whats the answer? whts the correct chord? I have no idea!

Google is your friend.

I've said which letter is wrong. Polyphonist has said which is the correct set of letters. You will do yourself a gigantic service if you learn how to identify notes.

If you're not sure how to start learning how to identify notes, post that here and we will all chime in with a thousand competing ways to do it, but all in sincere hopes of helping you acquire a useful skill that will make learning music easier for you.


Edited by PianoStudent88 (06/25/13 04:44 PM)
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#2107954 - 06/25/13 04:45 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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All right, we're just talking past each other now. Evidently the OP has missed the fact that I provided him with the correct identification of the chord more than 10 minutes ago.
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#2107957 - 06/25/13 04:48 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Yes, I thought by bringing his attention to it, he might go back and find your post and the answer. Who knows. (I now see I cross-posted with you up above also and didn't spot it... too many posts flying at once and I got confused. I did see your post about FAbC, I just didn't register that I had cross-posted with it.)

Bold color underline might do the trick for Tyler.


Edited by PianoStudent88 (06/25/13 04:50 PM)
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#2107964 - 06/25/13 04:56 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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nope, nothing, I wrote the notes in, I hve terrible memory very bad

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#2107973 - 06/25/13 05:06 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Ok. Do you see the answer to your question now? Three different people have answered it.

Thanks for changing the picture into a link and fixing the page size back to normal.
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#2107985 - 06/25/13 05:24 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: PianoStudent88]
Tyler Tomko Offline
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oh mn... im the laughing stock of all piano world, I see the right answer now... this is depressing!

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#2107997 - 06/25/13 05:47 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Tyler.... not at all. This is where beginners should ask their questions.

If you are self-teaching, you may want to spend some time on learning the notes of the grand staff. A book like Alfred Adult all in one or any of the other beginner method books will have it all laid out in an easy to learn step-by-step manner.

It really will only take you a few short weeks of daily practice to memorize the basic notes and then you will have a lifetime of being able to know which notes are which. On your computer or a smartphone there are many free apps that will help teach the basics of notereading.

Good luck and welcome to the forum.
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#2107998 - 06/25/13 05:50 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
Tyler Tomko Offline
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now that I got tht own, I nee help with omething else, I wil upload pic t once im hving trouble with abc on the next pic http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/IMG_0050.JPG EDIT: s you can see, I nee hep with cba, is it even right? If so , the fingerings eem off, and and when I o placemy finger where it says, I en up in a very uncomfortable position!


Edited by Tyler Tomko (06/25/13 06:03 PM)

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#2108015 - 06/25/13 06:10 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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any help?

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#2108018 - 06/25/13 06:18 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Well, the ABC that I see on your picture should be labeled ... CBflatC or C Bb C.

Tyler: You may wish to rethink your method of trying to learn to play piano. You should be able to find a complete beginner course book at your local music store and begin at page 1 and go through it very carefully and slowly, making sure you understand each page before going on to the next page. Then you will be successful.

Continuing like this is likely to get too frustrating for you and you may not continue.

Good Luck
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#2108021 - 06/25/13 06:23 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Tyler, in the ABC measure you have a mistake. Well, two. It's Bb, not B. And the bottom note is not A.

In the next measure, which you have labelled DFC, that also has a mistake. Or perhaps two mistakes, depending how one counts the mistakes.

We could go through correcting your chords measure by measure, but I would like to see you learning more about reading music so you will have these problems happen less frequently, and so that you have more tools to work out problems that might still arise.

That's why I'm pointing out that there is a mistake, but not immediately telling you the correct note. I think you would benefit by learning how to work it out for yourself, so that's going to be where I'm going to put my suggestions. What I'll start out with is not directed towards how to learn to read music, but rather leading towards some suggestions to help you identify notes and note names, which is a different thing.

So first of all, how are you currently going about identifying the letter names of notes to write them in?
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#2108026 - 06/25/13 06:28 PM Re: the keyboard [Re: Tyler Tomko]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
Well, the ABC that I see on your picture should be labeled ... CBflatC or C Bb C.

No. This is wrong. The bottom note is not C. (Nor is it A, as you correctly point out.)

I agree with your suggestion for Tyler to go in a completely different direction for learning to play the piano rather than his current approach.
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