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#2108299 - 06/26/13 10:22 AM Re: teaching v performing [Re: adultpianist]
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Scordatura-
My anecdote was given as an example of the difference between being a good performer (as I assume a grad student in piano is,) and a good teacher. These students were NOT playing their pieces "proficiently," and the reason they came to me was b/c the parents (who are at least musically proficient,) were becoming aware that the children were not only not being "engaged" with what they were learning (as they were each working on one relatively difficult, but "snazzy" sounding piece for weeks and weeks), but they were also not progressing in their musical understanding.

Although I may not have described the situation thoroughly enough to give the reader an accurate ability to properly assess the previous teacher's teaching methods (as that was not my point,) I am quite confident that I personally have enough information to disdain the previous teacher's methods.
I see no need to further derail this thread with discussion about teaching philosophy.

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#2108390 - 06/26/13 01:10 PM Re: teaching v performing [Re: adultpianist]
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Thanks, red-rose. Your reply's additional info helps me a lot to understand the intended sense of your earlier post. Point taken!

Scordatura.

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#2109683 - 06/28/13 01:08 PM Re: teaching v performing [Re: adultpianist]
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A performance major is not an accompanist is not a teacher is not a chapel player is not a choir sight-reader helper is not a pseudo-choir director is not a keyboardist in a band is not a fake-book player in a piano bar is not an old-fashioned hymnal only church pianist is not a concert pianist is not a theory teacher is not an arranger is not a music history professor is not a pedagogy professor is not a recording studio artist is not a curriculum writer is not a composer...

You can be several of the above and more, but each one takes a different skill set.

Look at another view- is an accountant, who is very good at math and numbers, automatically good at algebra or calculus or geometry? But it is "all math!" And, even if they are good at it all, does that make them a good teacher?

I know a performance pianist with a doctorate degree in performance, who plays around the world, who teaches during the school year to raise money for his travels.

He is a nice guy, but not the best teacher.

He does not have patience with most of his students, but has a full studio because the parents are SO impressed with his performance resume!

So, my point is that, yes, a teacher should have some performance skills, whether as an accompanist or anything listed above, but concert pianist is a very rare breed, and may not make a good teacher. But a very good teacher may never take a full stage and perform for an hour by themselves.

Hope that helps!
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#2109736 - 06/28/13 03:07 PM Re: teaching v performing [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle
But a very good teacher may never take a full stage and perform for an hour by themselves.

Hope that helps!


A teacher who takes the occasional weekend gig may find it helps keep them fresh and enthusiastic.
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#2109891 - 06/28/13 07:39 PM Re: teaching v performing [Re: TimR]
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Yes, and that is why I had the myriad of jobs a pianist can do, stating that several should overlap.

But, performing as a concert pianist for an hour on your own stage is not an option for most piano teachers.
smile

Now, if that stage is my own studio and I am playing for me, myself,and I, plus the cat and the dog...well, bang on!

I play for school chapel and church children's choir and accompany violin students. that "keeps my hand in!"

No concertos for me. uh-uh.
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#2109921 - 06/28/13 09:39 PM Re: teaching v performing [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle

No concertos for me. uh-uh.


Same here, I'd be bored to death working on that. Though I did it once, a few decades back, on brass; played the Rimsky-Korsakov.

But I've had a great time playing for stuff like Oktoberfest, dinner dances, company picnics, etc.
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