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#2107464 - 06/24/13 09:20 PM My choice for Acoustic Piano
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I was in a music store this evening browsing around various digitals (getting GAS again) and one of the salesmen, who knows me, suggested I take a turn on one of their Steinway acoustic pianos.

So, I did.

First time I have played a really good acoustic and it went pretty well. I was surprised I could actually play on one since I have learned on digitals only. This was a very,very,very good one. How do I know ? Price Tag: $143,000.00

Then I saw some "lesser" ones right next to it.

$100,000.00 Not too bad.

$80,000.00 Didn't like it.

$60,000.00 Worse (In my opinion)

Bottom line ... I won't be playing on my own acoustic anytime soon.
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#2107485 - 06/24/13 09:55 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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You pay a premium for the Steinway name. Also, because it's not a liquid market, your selection and the prices you face vary greatly by dealer.

I was in a Kawai shop a few years ago and the owner offered me a really sweet, very large brand new grand for $24K if I remember correctly. Then I went upstairs and tried the used pianos and found a hand-made European piano I liked even more (unfortunately I did not recognize or remember the brand). One of the nicest pianos I have played. Had a wonderful sweet tone that really spoke to me. He offered it to me for $16K. I was very tempted. No space in the house for it, though.

That kind of opportunity was what I really liked about living in Chicago. Don't miss the crime, though.


Edited by gvfarns (06/24/13 09:57 PM)

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#2107492 - 06/24/13 10:10 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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Well, that VERY NICE Steinway is the only acoustic I have ever played that I actually liked. Every other one I have played (all cheap ones) has always been VERY LOUD and difficult for me to play pleasantly.
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#2107509 - 06/24/13 10:52 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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Every piano is unique, although brands tend to have a certain "sound" overall. There are just so many fine ones out there, and fine ones for less than half the price of a Steinway. The money isn't always for quality, but sometimes just the name.
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#2107528 - 06/24/13 11:37 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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I hope you're not thinking of buying one. Try this. Go back to the store and try that grand at least twice more. By the third time you try it, the novelty will have worn off and it won't sound as overwhelming.

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#2107535 - 06/24/13 11:45 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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Welcome back, Gyro!

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#2107539 - 06/24/13 11:54 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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#2107568 - 06/25/13 12:50 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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My eyes must be failing me... is "Gyro" truly now back among us? wow

Extra note:

Still waiting to hear a concerto played on the Williams Overture digital!

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#2107573 - 06/25/13 01:01 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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I reckon peterws, pv88, and Gyro should come together to form a boy-band/super-group.

They could be called "Idiosyncrasy".

wink

James
x
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#2107578 - 06/25/13 01:06 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
I reckon peterws, pv88, and Gyro should come together to form a boy-band/super-group.

They could be called "Idiosyncrasy".

wink

James
x


Nice idea - but a little gender presumptuous, perhaps. I have in mind that Gyro is actually a beautiful, languorous blonde, with come-hither eyes.... no wait, that's a completely different fantasy. Focus, vp! wink

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#2107602 - 06/25/13 02:02 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: voxpops]
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Loc: Northern England.
Sounds good . . .a girl in a boy band . . .I don`t mind playin` bass . . . grin
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#2107604 - 06/25/13 02:11 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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I usually have the opposite problems with pianos. Either digital or acoustic. Back in the 7o`s me missus worked in a piano shop. so I got to try` em all out, Baldwins were stocked. The cheapest (spinet?) was great. Nice balanced tone. The priciest was too boomy and to my ears, not nice.

Best piano I ever played was a big Bluthner, superbly tuned, at Barrow in Furness Civic Centre. Backing a C&W singer . . .Fantastic!
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#2107631 - 06/25/13 04:35 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: peterws]
EssBrace Offline
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Registered: 12/01/09
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Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: peterws
Barrow in Furness


Quite possibly the ugliest and most depressing corner of the entire globe. Except Hull.

Just needed to say that.
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#2107645 - 06/25/13 05:54 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
JFP Offline
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Registered: 07/19/10
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Loc: The Netherlands
Who's Gyro and why the fuzz ??

About the acoustic: at $143,000.00 , it better be great :-)


Edited by JFP (06/25/13 05:55 AM)

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#2107651 - 06/25/13 06:41 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: JFP]
EssBrace Offline
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Loc: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: JFP
Who's Gyro and why the fuzz ??


A long-standing member with somewhat eccentric views some might say. We welcome him back!....
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#2107652 - 06/25/13 06:41 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
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Registered: 07/28/12
Posts: 935
Loc: Canada Alberta
dmd, I have read your post, here:

I was in a music store this evening browsing around various digitals (getting GAS again) and one of the salesmen, who knows me, suggested I take a turn on one of their Steinway acoustic pianos.

So, I did.

First time I have played a really good acoustic and it went pretty well. I was surprised I could actually play on one since I have learned on digitals only. This was a very,very,very good one. How do I know ? Price Tag: $143,000.00

Then I saw some "lesser" ones right next to it.

$100,000.00 Not too bad.

$80,000.00 Didn't like it.

$60,000.00 Worse (In my opinion)

Bottom line ... I won't be playing on my own acoustic anytime soon.

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I love people because they are all different and interesting.

I remember when I was a young man that this guy and his wife used to want to drive around and look at expensive houses. We were in our early 20s. I didn't understand why so I didn't go.

At 27, I bought a cheap shack, property taxes were 25 cents a day. Today, the property taxes are 10 dollars a day. My rule is, I don't look at things I can't afford. My friends today have property taxes that are $20 a day which I can't afford.

Unlike you, I played an acoustic when I was 7 and I remembered how it felt and I am glad I switch to an acoustic. I would rather live in a shack and have a cheap acoustic than live in a mansion and have a digital.

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#2107658 - 06/25/13 07:00 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Michael_99]
peterws Online   content
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There are loads of very playable cheap uprights (and grands)around needing good homes. The fun would be seeking one out when you have all the time in the world to do this . . ! And tune/service it yerself.
I`d have a little Baldwin if I had the space. Great pianos!
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#2107675 - 06/25/13 08:10 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Gyro]
dmd Online   content
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Registered: 04/15/09
Posts: 1685
Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one.


Not even close.

I am really not a fan of the acoustic sound, I guess.

Every acoustic I have played is always too BOOMY. At least, it is when I play it. Poor technique, I am sure.
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#2107712 - 06/25/13 09:55 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
torhu Offline
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I bet you wouldn't want to go back to your DP after practicing on a good upright acoustic, like one from the Yamaha U series, for a few weeks. You just don't know it yet grin
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#2107729 - 06/25/13 10:45 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd]
ando Online   content
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Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 3319
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: dmd
Originally Posted By: Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one.


Not even close.

I am really not a fan of the acoustic sound, I guess.

Every acoustic I have played is always too BOOMY. At least, it is when I play it. Poor technique, I am sure.



Pretty much this. You can get really superb instruments for $80,000. Poor voicing and regulation excluded, if you can't make an $80k piano sing, it's a technique thing. What most people who have only played DPs don't get is that DPs have a greatly reduced dynamic range and people set the volume where it is easiest for them - and in the process they don't learn how to play with a light touch - which is essential to control the power of an acoustic. DP only players also greatly over-pedal - which is intolerable on an acoustic. A skilled player will be able to play an $80,000 grand much softer and much louder, and with more tonal variation than a DP.

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#2107753 - 06/25/13 11:27 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: ando]
Morodiene Online   content
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: dmd
Originally Posted By: Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one.


Not even close.

I am really not a fan of the acoustic sound, I guess.

Every acoustic I have played is always too BOOMY. At least, it is when I play it. Poor technique, I am sure.



Pretty much this. You can get really superb instruments for $80,000. Poor voicing and regulation excluded, if you can't make an $80k piano sing, it's a technique thing. What most people who have only played DPs don't get is that DPs have a greatly reduced dynamic range and people set the volume where it is easiest for them - and in the process they don't learn how to play with a light touch - which is essential to control the power of an acoustic. DP only players also greatly over-pedal - which is intolerable on an acoustic. A skilled player will be able to play an $80,000 grand much softer and much louder, and with more tonal variation than a DP.
Or even cheaper! I bought my Petrof 9'2 for $19k minus a $6k trade-in on my 5'6 Sammick (that I paid about $8k for a few years prior) - so for a net $21k plus about $2k in voicing and some other work I have a great acoustic instrument. The pp and ff are great, and fully within control. Also remember that a piano that is not well-regulated can have notes that stick out no matter how good your technique, and many pianos in a store are not regulated or voiced.
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#2107754 - 06/25/13 11:29 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Gyro]
Morodiene Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one. Try this. Go back to the store and try that grand at least twice more. By the third time you try it, the novelty will have worn off and it won't sound as overwhelming.
Hmm, I suspect if this is the real Gyro. Where are the paragraphs of copied and pasted text he usually posts? Wonder if he lost the files.
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#2107809 - 06/25/13 01:13 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: EssBrace]
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"Quite possibly the ugliest and most depressing corner of the entire globe. Except Hull.

Just needed to say that."

Ha ha - spoken like a true Southerner who`s been there . . . I reckon Ashford is worse . . . .bet they haven`t got a Bluthner in their civic centre . . .or a Shipyard . . .(semifunctioning)

But Barrow has it`s compensations.

http://www.barrowbc.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=3487

In fact. I`d say the area around Barrow excels that around almost anywhere in the country. The above is just one attraction. The pub that never closes . . . until the last customer leaves!


Edited by peterws (06/25/13 01:17 PM)
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#2107846 - 06/25/13 02:05 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: peterws]
EssBrace Offline
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Originally Posted By: peterws
I reckon Ashford is worse


I lived in Ashford for a few months some years back - I can confirm it certainly is grim. It's a dreadful place. And at least Barrow has the Lakes a stone's throw away - and a Bluthner in the Civic Centre apparently. But having been once to Barrow I sincerely hope never to return.
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#2108240 - 06/26/13 06:16 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Or even cheaper! I bought my Petrof 9'2 for $19k minus a $6k trade-in on my 5'6 Sammick (that I paid about $8k for a few years prior) - so for a net $21k plus about $2k in voicing and some other work I have a great acoustic instrument. The pp and ff are great, and fully within control. Also remember that a piano that is not well-regulated can have notes that stick out no matter how good your technique, and many pianos in a store are not regulated or voiced.


Oh absolutely! I don't think one need spend anywhere near $80k for a glorious acoustic. I only used that figure because the OP claimed $80k were noticeably substandard. When I hear things like that, I tend to think to myself, "this person isn't a pianist at all, maybe a keyboard player, maybe barely that". I would kill to have an $80k piano!

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#2108247 - 06/26/13 07:13 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
I don't think one need spend anywhere near $80k for a glorious acoustic.


+1

Yamaha C3X. Kawai RX-3. £20k give or take a grand or two. I'd be very happy at this level.
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#2108290 - 06/26/13 09:52 AM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one. Try this. Go back to the store and try that grand at least twice more. By the third time you try it, the novelty will have worn off and it won't sound as overwhelming.
Hmm, I suspect if this is the real Gyro. Where are the paragraphs of copied and pasted text he usually posts? Wonder if he lost the files.

Also, the 'old' Gyro used only 1/3 of the line-width, the 'new' Gyro uses 100% of the line-width. But 'old' nor 'new', it is nice to have additional entertainment value in the forum!

On the topic of acoustic pianos, one of the nicests and cheapests designs is the Kawai RX-2. I was lucky that I could afford the somewhat larger RX-3, but I would be permanently happy with a well-chosen specimen of the RX-2.
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#2108595 - 06/26/13 05:55 PM Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: doremi]
pv88 Offline
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Originally Posted By: doremi
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one. Try this. Go back to the store and try that grand at least twice more. By the third time you try it, the novelty will have worn off and it won't sound as overwhelming.
Hmm, I suspect if this is the real Gyro. Where are the paragraphs of copied and pasted text he usually posts? Wonder if he lost the files.

Also, the 'old' Gyro used only 1/3 of the line-width, the 'new' Gyro uses 100% of the line-width. But 'old' nor 'new', it is nice to have additional entertainment value in the forum!


Extra note:

How could this not be the original "Gyro" as Gyro is currently a 4,000 Post Club Member and the current number of posts are 4,523. If Gyro was a new member then Gyro wouldn't have 4,523 posts to start with, right?

If you check all of Gyro's posts in the member profile under "Show User's Posts" you will see that Gyro was dormant for almost two years from 7-25-11 up until 6-24-13 and also 6-26-13 with two new posts appearing in two different forums.

Anyone can view this info so it looks legit to me.

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