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#2108523 - 06/26/13 04:18 PM Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this
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Make sure you use headphones or really good speakers, and be prepared to catch your jaw before it hits the floor!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct3MMyWjRhc
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#2108543 - 06/26/13 04:42 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Nice sound, beautiful bass. WOuld be nice to hear this for real instead of through my (very good) headphones.

It has 3 or even 4 strings for each key

There is some interesting history to it as well

http://www.zeit.de/2010/28/Sommertipp-Piano-Salon-Christophori

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/kultur/klassik/Hitlers-Superfluegel/story/18546349

The germans apparently were planning to use this in a concert hall with a 300m high dome accomodating 180000 spectators. Now THAT is jaw dropping shocked
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#2108545 - 06/26/13 04:44 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Here is another link about the mechanics

http://www.pianoteknik.tv/?p=5793
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#2108561 - 06/26/13 05:15 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Yes, thanks for that. I watched those same restringing videos on Youtube......fascinating. I love how they lock down the tuning pins from the underside of the wrest plank, and how the keyboard and hammers are configured.
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#2108635 - 06/26/13 07:06 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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What does "Hitlers Superfluegel" mean?
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#2108642 - 06/26/13 07:19 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/kultur/klassik/Hitlers-Superfluegel/story/18546349
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Hitler's super wing
Updated on 14/07/2010
The "Super Quattro chord wing" should meet the halls Germania with a "sound like thunder." Now the heaviest wings of the world is back in action.

On the Steinway fade: The Quattro Chord Super wings.
The sound of the Super Wing

As the "World Capital Germania" wanted to reinvent the Nazis in Berlin - had a more than 300-meter-high central dome, which offered room for 180,000 people. The eagle statue on the dome was originally clasping a swastika, but Hitler put the bird out of hand on a globe.

Not completely megalomaniac, but still oversized, was another project of the Nazis: A super wing, which should refer to the ranks of the American Steinways. Because Germany lost the war, not for Kam big duel pianos. However, unlike Germania saw the "Super Quattro Chord wing" at least the light of day.

700 kilos

It was built in 1943 by the Saxon August Förster piano manufacturer. Super wings made of wood and steel and has four per key instead of the usual three strings on. With 700 pounds, it is the heaviest piano that has been ever made. It measures three meters and has, according to "time" a sound "like thunder", which should satisfy the vast halls Germania well. By comparison, the Steinway S-155, built in 1936, weighed 252 kilos and measured 155 centimeters.

Now the Super Quattro Chord wing will be played again. However, not megalomaniacal in concert halls but in the workshop of piano restorer Christoph Schreiber where the Berlin small, fine chamber music concerts throughout the year. About the one with the Slovakian Daniela Hlinkova pianist, playing on the wing Nazi works of Jewish composers Gideon Klein, who was executed in a concentration camp Fürstengrube.
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#2108647 - 06/26/13 07:25 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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What does "Hitlers Superfluegel" mean?


I start a thread about the sound of an incredible piano and all you comment about is its name?
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#2108650 - 06/26/13 07:28 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Originally Posted By: CC2 and Chopin lover
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What does "Hitlers Superfluegel" mean?


I start a thread about the sound of an incredible piano and all you comment about is its name?

This article contains another recording:
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/kultur/klassik/Hitlers-Superfluegel/story/18546349
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#2108706 - 06/26/13 08:32 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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It's an interesting name, but I don't know what it means. Can't I inquire about it?
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#2108744 - 06/26/13 09:36 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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The tuning system on it is interesting, but I think the piano sounds thin and glassy. Not a fan. Sorry.
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#2108794 - 06/26/13 11:32 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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WOW!

Have you room for yet ANOTHER piano?

;-)
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#2108896 - 06/27/13 05:52 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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I think the piano sounds thin and glassy


No need to apologize to me, but, I've got to tell you, "thin and glassy" are probably the LAST two adjectives I'd use to describe that piano. Oh well, "vive le difference!"
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#2108897 - 06/27/13 05:54 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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WOW!

Have you room for yet ANOTHER piano?


Heh, heh. We moved to an even bigger house, lilylady, so the answer is a definitive YES!!
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#2108963 - 06/27/13 09:01 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Love those deep bass notes at about the 1:30-1:45 mark. heart
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#2109002 - 06/27/13 10:52 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Love those deep bass notes at about the 1:30-1:45 mark


Amen to that Monica. I also find the harmonics so incredibly rich that it sounds like two pianos in harmony with each other.


Edited by CC2 and Chopin lover (06/27/13 10:53 AM)
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#2109017 - 06/27/13 11:17 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Well if you could only make your Mason Hamlin AA sound as good (though I suspect it does sound good).

Rich


Edited by Rich D. (06/27/13 11:18 AM)
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#2109023 - 06/27/13 11:39 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Well if you could only make your Mason Hamlin AA sound as good (though I suspect it does sound good).


My Mason AA would be a great starting point, but then I'd have to add about three more feet and a BUNCH more strings to get it to this level

Here are soundfiles of my AA to compare:

https://www.box.com/shared/static/9qucajn6ku.mp3

https://www.box.com/shared/static/2089zlssxx.mp3



Edited by CC2 and Chopin lover (06/28/13 06:51 AM)
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#2109071 - 06/27/13 12:57 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Actually quite a nice tone on the Mason AA. Very sweet treble with that wonderful Mason bass.

Rich
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#2109407 - 06/28/13 01:32 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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#2109588 - 06/28/13 10:54 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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It sounds awfully tubby.
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#2109601 - 06/28/13 11:17 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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I dont know if it is the recording or what not, but I too think it sounded somewhat thin and lack of color...

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#2109617 - 06/28/13 11:39 AM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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For those of you confused by the translations, "Flügel" or "Fluegel" means "wing" in German, and also "grand piano," the term coming from the shape.
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#2109651 - 06/28/13 12:38 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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Originally Posted By: CC2 and Chopin lover
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What does "Hitlers Superfluegel" mean?


I start a thread about the sound of an incredible piano and all you comment about is its name?


I can perfectly understand having a reaction to a piano made under Hitler, for Hitler. So, one could ask, someone expresses a slight curiosity about the connection to Hitler, and all you have is exasperation?
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#2109684 - 06/28/13 01:12 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: toyboy]
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Originally Posted By: toyboy
Originally Posted By: CC2 and Chopin lover
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What does "Hitlers Superfluegel" mean?


I start a thread about the sound of an incredible piano and all you comment about is its name?


I can perfectly understand having a reaction to a piano made under Hitler, for Hitler. So, one could ask, someone expresses a slight curiosity about the connection to Hitler, and all you have is exasperation?

So to answer the question it probably means "super piano made for Adolph Hitler." Personally, I liked the piece that was played but the tuning seemed a little off, like the unisons were phasey which would make the piano sound thin. Maybe with 4 strings per note it's hard to get the tuning locked in. The bass certainly sounds big, but there's more to the sound of a piano than bass.

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#2109689 - 06/28/13 01:23 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
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There are four-string unison pianos being made today by Borgato, and recordings available, so you could compare the unisons. It may be that the tuning system on the Förster is not that good.
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#2109717 - 06/28/13 02:20 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: BDB]
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I don't think that's it.
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#2110182 - 06/29/13 01:04 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: toyboy]
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So, one could ask, someone expresses a slight curiosity about the connection to Hitler, and all you have is exasperation?


So, let me get this straight, if someone asks me what I thought of my Volkswagen test drive, I should answer him with a comment about how I am not happy that the company was built UNDER Hitler, and, therefore, has a CONNECTION to Hitler?I don't care if they are curious about the connection to Hitler, but he could have commented on the sound first, like all these other folks are doing, and THEN ask his question regarding the name.
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#2110193 - 06/29/13 01:28 PM Re: Think you've heard great pianos? Listen to this [Re: BDB]
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There are four-string unison pianos being made today by Borgato, and recordings available, so you could compare the unisons. It may be that the tuning system on the Förster is not that good.


I think the latter. I found many similarities between my 80-years upright and this Forster. The unclear notes, some kind of strangeness and weakness in the sound, sorry, I cannot find proper words, but this grand has something similar with old uprights in sound... and... I didn't like it at all... sorrry... Maybe it should be restringes with all modern stuff and changed abit to modern standards to compare the sound... It's awesome I agree, but not only in the positive. Has some uniqe sound, but is it much better thand todays grands and more powerful? Hmm...

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