Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Yamaha CP4 Rebate
Yamaha CP4 Rebate
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
148 registered (accordeur, anamnesis, AmateurBob, alexk3954, ando, A Guy, 32 invisible), 1382 Guests and 8 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Topic Options
#2109107 - 06/27/13 02:05 PM Mazurkas not by Chopin
fnork Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 1812
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
The mazurka genre pretty much circles around the composer who invented it and produced so many masterpieces in the form - some of Chopin's were short and concise, some long and elaborate, some musically straight-forward, others filled with clever counterpoint and almost Wagnerian chromaticism. But once you start looking around, you see that many others made interesting contributions to the genre - okay, sorry for mentioning Szymanowski again, but..:



Szymanowski found his way to the genre fairly late in his life, though there's a mazurka variation in the early op. 3 variations. Though they're spiritually quite different from what Chopin's works, I think they stand out as one of the finer attempts in the genre. Scriabin did write plenty of mazurkas in his youth, but while they're charming, they somehow strike me as lacking some of the mazurka characteristics, and feel more like 'simple folk-like' pieces in triple meter.



Roman Maciejewski followed in Szymanowski's footsteps however, having studied in Warsaw while Szymanowski was still principal of the academy. Tricky to find good performances online, here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OSrIXov5Q44#t=645s

Both Szymanowski and Lutoslawski praised Maciejewski's Mazurkas as unique and original. The early ones are clearly inspired by Szymanowski, but later he went in different directions.


More recent contributions that are worth some attention are Paavo Heininen's set of mazurkas from 2001, but there's no recording so far, I believe. Thomas Adés also wrote a set of 3 mazurkas - very characteristic, original, as most of his music. What other mazurka contributors come to your mind?


Edited by fnork (06/27/13 02:06 PM)

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#2109168 - 06/27/13 04:18 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Orange Soda King Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/25/09
Posts: 6127
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky, United S...

Top
#2109169 - 06/27/13 04:19 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
fnork Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 1812
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
Oh, have missed those totally! Thanks for sharing.

Top
#2109176 - 06/27/13 04:32 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Orange Soda King Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/25/09
Posts: 6127
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky, United S...
You are welcome. Hope you enjoy them. Theyr'e wonderful performances!!


Edited by Orange Soda King (06/27/13 04:33 PM)
Edit Reason: Looking to see if I misused another apostrophe...

Top
#2109187 - 06/27/13 04:51 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
bennevis Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/10
Posts: 5858
Apart from those already mentioned, quite a few Polish composers wrote mazurkas for piano. Maria Szymanowska was the biggest contributor to the genre before Chopin. Then you have Wladyslaw Zelenski and Aleksander Zarzycki, and not forgetting Stanislaw Moniuszko and (of course) Ignaz Jan Paderewski. From the sound of Zelenski's and Zarzycki's concertante works (which have recently been recorded), I'd say that they are all in late-Romantic style, though I haven't heard their mazurkas.

Then there are the Russians - Tchaikovsky and Borodin both composed mazurkas.
Even Debussy and Saint-Saëns got in on the act.... wink .
_________________________
"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life."

Top
#2109302 - 06/27/13 09:00 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 22203
Loc: Oakland
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#2109333 - 06/27/13 10:40 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10429
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
A friend of mine has recorded the Szymanowski mazurkas.


Szymanowski Mazurkas, Op. 50 and Op. 62


_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2109368 - 06/27/13 11:48 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Damon Online   happy
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 6331
Loc: St. Louis area
Liszt smile

_________________________
It's been scientifically proven that Horowitz sucks.

Top
#2109409 - 06/28/13 01:40 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
wr Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 8147
Saint-Saens (mentioned earlier in the thread) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbTPJIfYlnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgXT54D7knc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1DQyfeOYAY

Faure, also -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmdh91Uvuk

Godard (there are more than just this one) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T9I3O1DaNo

Xaver Scharwenka wrote many "Polish Dances" that are mazurkas in all but name - they should be better known by pianists, IMO. Here's one -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThhrTnEuctI

Top
#2109444 - 06/28/13 03:01 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
BDB Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 22203
Loc: Oakland


This one is not in the set of his works published by International, but there is another mazurka there.
_________________________
Semipro Tech

Top
#2109481 - 06/28/13 06:39 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
wr Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 8147

Top
#2109484 - 06/28/13 06:47 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
patH Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/09/13
Posts: 614
Loc: Germany
According to Wikipedia, Skrjabin also wrote mazurkas for piano.
Then, there's the piano transcription of Leo Delibes' ballet "Coppelia", which contains a mazurka.
The Strauss family also wrote "Polka masur" pieces for orchestra; maybe there are piano transcriptions of them as well.
_________________________
Everything is possible, and nothing is sure.
XXXI

Top
#2109491 - 06/28/13 07:20 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Damon Online   happy
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 6331
Loc: St. Louis area
Here is a set by Ignaz Friedman.

Op 85, 6 Mazurkas
_________________________
It's been scientifically proven that Horowitz sucks.

Top
#2109496 - 06/28/13 07:39 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
fnork Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 1812
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
Thanks guys, Im making some new finds here!!!

Top
#2109519 - 06/28/13 08:38 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Tim Adrianson Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/10
Posts: 1164
fnork, after scrolling through this thread, I haven't seen any mention of Alexandre Tansman. He wrote several sets of Mazurkas, and they're IMO all sophisticated and charming. I believe Schott publishes most of his works.

Top
#2109635 - 06/28/13 12:13 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
pianojosh23 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/08
Posts: 611

Top
#2109704 - 06/28/13 01:45 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: Tim Adrianson]
wower Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/13/10
Posts: 244
Loc: Calgary
Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
fnork, after scrolling through this thread, I haven't seen any mention of Alexandre Tansman. He wrote several sets of Mazurkas, and they're IMO all sophisticated and charming. I believe Schott publishes most of his works.


Thanks for bringing this up. Tansman is someone I've only discovered this year and much like Alkan, I'm glad he's finally getting some props. One of PW's advertisers doesn't seem to have the Schott sets but only a Durand Best of including some Mazurkas. That might have to do unfortunately.
_________________________
Bad spellers of the world untie!

Top
#2109728 - 06/28/13 02:43 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
Auntie Lynn Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/07/04
Posts: 1140
Loc: San Francisco, CA
Massenet, Meyerbeer, Tchaikovsky...more later...

Top
#2110106 - 06/29/13 08:37 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
SlatterFan Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 791
Loc: Brighton, UK
I have never heard of most of these, and I look forward to exploring them all - thanks to everyone who has posted so far.

Originally Posted By: fnork
Scriabin did write plenty of mazurkas in his youth, but while they're charming, they somehow strike me as lacking some of the mazurka characteristics, and feel more like 'simple folk-like' pieces in triple meter.

I find them more mazurka-like than you do. I hope you might play through his Opus 3 Nos 2, 4, and 9 a few more times and see if they grow on you? I think they are gems, and I do feel a Chopinesque mazurka character in them. I love the central kujawiak of number 4, which to me simultaneously pays homage to Chopin and also says something new in a fresh and poignant way.
_________________________
Julian

Top
#2111463 - 07/02/13 10:02 AM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: fnork]
dolce sfogato Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/29/10
Posts: 2675
Loc: Netherlands
Sergei Lyapunov wrote 8.
_________________________
Longtemps, je me suis couch de bonne heure, but not anymore!

Mussorgski tableaux d'une exposition/Ravel miroirs

Top
#2111726 - 07/02/13 05:07 PM Re: Mazurkas not by Chopin [Re: wower]
Tim Adrianson Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/10
Posts: 1164
Hi, wower -- I went and double-checked on the availability of Tansman's Mazurkas, and I'm afraid you're right -- there's the selected ones in Durand's compilation of solo piano pieces (not Schott), but nothing else seems to be in publication. I'd be curious to know who has ownership of the complete set of Mazurkas.

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
The February 2015 Issue of our Free Piano News Newsletter is out now! FREE Piano Newsletter
--------------------
The best thing I've learned on Piano World....
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
(ad) Jazz Piano Online
Jazz Piano Online Lessons
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Just bought a VPC-1! Some simple questions
by Hansgreger
Today at 05:54 AM
Share ur experience overcoming "stage fright"
by piano_friend
Today at 02:57 AM
Hi, I'm new here
by trumpet89
Today at 01:16 AM
Fingerings in the 1800s?
by InfiniteClouds
Yesterday at 11:53 PM
Transition to wedding pianist
by Angela62213
Yesterday at 08:39 PM
Forum Stats
78,418 Registered Members
43 Forums
162,129 Topics
2,380,427 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission