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#2107859 - 06/25/13 02:20 PM Question about play romantic period compositions
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Hi friends I want ask questions.I like romantic period compositions but i shy play this compositions.I'm begnner at piano.I think they are really hard(emotion,technique etc.). still i want play them.How about Schumann's Winterzeit 1 for begin? I like this piece. smile What can i do?Thanks.


Edited by tanblytmup (06/25/13 02:23 PM)

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#2107904 - 06/25/13 03:44 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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The meaning of your post is not clear. Do you want us to suggest Romantic repertoire for you to try? Do you want us to give you advice on how to overcome the emotional and technical barriers that you feel stand between you and a competent performance of a Romantic work? Do you want us to tell you what we think of your selection of the Schumann work, based on no knowledge of your pianistic ability or any of the repertoire that you have worked on in the past? Telling us that you are a "beginner at piano," even if it had been spelled correctly, does not give us enough information to answer any of these questions with any degree of accuracy, since we cannot, unfortunately, read your mind.
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#2107974 - 06/25/13 05:07 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Thanks and sorry.Actually take an answer all questions in your comment. smile Beginner at piano:Saygun-İnci,Schubert-Waltz but i don't know op. number or anything because waltz in piano method and no write,The Godfather theme.I working on turkish piano method.

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#2107980 - 06/25/13 05:15 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Schumann's Winterzeit I is a piece from Album for the Young. I don't think it's beginner's music, though. I think of it more as "music for the young at heart." Schumann injured his hands as a teenager and couldn't play at all, so I think he didn't realize how hard his Album is for beginners...

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#2107981 - 06/25/13 05:16 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Hmmm... yes?
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#2107986 - 06/25/13 05:25 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Originally Posted By: tanblytmup
Thanks and sorry.Actually take an answer all questions in your comment. smile Beginner at piano:Saygun-İnci,Schubert-Waltz but i don't know op. number or anything because waltz in piano method and no write,The Godfather theme.I working on turkish piano method.

Before, I attempted to decipher your rather incoherent jumble of words, but this really is taking it too far. How do you expect me to know what that means? All I can infer from this is that you may be playing a Schubert Waltz or something called the Godfather theme, and the piano method you are using is of Turkish origin.
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#2107987 - 06/25/13 05:26 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Several things come to mind:

1. Are you working with a teacher who can recommend appropriate music for you to learn?

2. Schumann can be extremely difficult to interpret. Even music that seems technically easy can be very challenging.

3. If you are a beginner, you might try posting your questions in the Adult Beginner's Forum. They would be more familiar with what you are working on.
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#2108020 - 06/25/13 06:23 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Originally Posted By: tanblytmup
Hi friends I want ask questions.I like romantic period compositions but i shy play this compositions.I'm begnner at piano.I think they are really hard(emotion,technique etc.). still i want play them.How about Schumann's Winterzeit 1 for begin? I like this piece. smile What can i do?Thanks.

Wonderful question!

Romantic period, 1825 - 1900, is a period where music explores new ways of composing, abandoning the structure and musical conventions of Classical Period of 1700 - 1825.

It explores not just new musical formulas but also seek nature, mystery, nocturnal, spiritual, strange and national ideas or themes in the music.
This period also puts heavy emphasis to extreme subjectivism.

Often, but not all, works during period tend to push the boundaries of emotions as well as structures and styles of composing.

Typical Urtex books were marked differently by professors during lessons in order to bring out more drama and emotion.


Edited by Schubertslieder (06/25/13 07:34 PM)
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#2108056 - 06/25/13 07:18 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: tanblytmup
Thanks and sorry.Actually take an answer all questions in your comment. smile Beginner at piano:Saygun-İnci,Schubert-Waltz but i don't know op. number or anything because waltz in piano method and no write,The Godfather theme.I working on turkish piano method.

Before, I attempted to decipher your rather incoherent jumble of words, but this really is taking it too far. How do you expect me to know what that means? All I can infer from this is that you may be playing a Schubert Waltz or something called the Godfather theme, and the piano method you are using is of Turkish origin.
Nice way to talk to a new poster.

Have you even considered that perhaps English is not his first language as he said he is using a Turkish piano method book?


Edited by pianoloverus (06/25/13 08:08 PM)

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#2108237 - 06/26/13 05:32 AM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Polyphonist]
tanblytmup Offline
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Thanks for answers.

Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: tanblytmup
Thanks and sorry.Actually take an answer all questions in your comment. smile Beginner at piano:Saygun-İnci,Schubert-Waltz but i don't know op. number or anything because waltz in piano method and no write,The Godfather theme.I working on turkish piano method.

Before, I attempted to decipher your rather incoherent jumble of words, but this really is taking it too far. How do you expect me to know what that means? All I can infer from this is that you may be playing a Schubert Waltz or something called the Godfather theme, and the piano method you are using is of Turkish origin.


Originally Posted By: gooddog
Several things come to mind:

1. Are you working with a teacher who can recommend appropriate music for you to learn?

2. Schumann can be extremely difficult to interpret. Even music that seems technically easy can be very challenging.

3. If you are a beginner, you might try posting your questions in the Adult Beginner's Forum. They would be more familiar with what you are working on.


You're right.I don't write usually english so skip to some words or write wrong words.I want to tell in my reply i playing this pieces(maybe playing bad)and now i working on piano method.I said "turkish" because this piano method is local not famous piano method in this instance you are not know degree of piano method maybe i said about understanding of for piano method degree it has got exercises(which exercises? smile i didn't find pdf or any format of this piano method on the net. ) and small pieces from famous classical compositions(clair de lune,caprice 24 etc.)You not have to answer the questions,you know. I know i occupy you ,sorry and thanks for all replies.


Edited by tanblytmup (06/26/13 05:40 AM)

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#2108292 - 06/26/13 10:03 AM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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If your native language is Turkish then you might write your post in Turkish and then translate to English which might make it more discernible.

You can copy and paste if you know how.

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#2108343 - 06/26/13 12:02 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Varcon]
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Originally Posted By: Varcon
If your native language is Turkish then you might write your post in Turkish and then translate to English which might make it more discernible.

You can copy and paste if you know how.

Ralph


I doubt it will be better this way, since the syntax of his language is completely different.

It's clear, though, he doesn't know enough to ask a well-informed question, so the best way to advise him is to refer him back to his teacher, who knows his capabilities better than we do.

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#2108407 - 06/26/13 01:38 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Merhaba,

Here's an idea: Get a book of the Chopin Preludes Op. 28. They're mostly short- and thus easier to memorize- and very lyrical and Romantic in style. Many of the works in this opus are fairly easy (#7 and #4, for instance), and run the gamut of difficulty all the way to virtuosic (#16 is a killer). As you improve, more and more of them will be within reach.


Edited by Brad Hoehne (06/26/13 01:43 PM)
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#2108491 - 06/26/13 03:25 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Hi Tanblytmup,

I understand that you're Turkish and are a beginning student, learning from a Turkish method book.

Your book has versions of the Godfather movie theme, Debussy's Clair de lune, and a Schubert waltz whose number isn't specified in your book.

It sounds like maybe you want to find more romantic music that's right for your level.

If you can buy books of sheet music over the Internet, you could look at the online shop at www.abrsm.org. They have anthologies (collections) of romantic music at specific levels.

If you think your question is getting lost in the Turkish-English translation here on Piano World, perhaps someone here can tell you how to contact a Piano World member named Ozgur.

Ozgur was here a week or two ago asking for advice about a new piano that he received. His English is excellent; he might help translate for you.

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#2108912 - 06/27/13 06:46 AM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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Thanks for advices and help.

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#2109222 - 06/27/13 06:11 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Schubertslieder]
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Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder
Romantic period, 1825 - 1900, is a period where music explores new ways of composing, abandoning the structure and musical conventions of Classical Period of 1700 - 1825.

This date is completely wrong. If you must attempt to assign starting and finishing dates to musical periods (which cannot be done accurately due to, among other things, the vast amount of overlap), at least come closer to the universally accepted date of 1750 (the death of JS Bach).
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#2109260 - 06/27/13 07:43 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Schubertslieder]
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Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder
Originally Posted By: tanblytmup
Hi friends I want ask questions.I like romantic period compositions but i shy play this compositions.I'm begnner at piano.I think they are really hard(emotion,technique etc.). still i want play them.How about Schumann's Winterzeit 1 for begin? I like this piece. smile What can i do?Thanks.

Wonderful question!

Romantic period, 1825 - 1900, is a period where music explores new ways of composing, abandoning the structure and musical conventions of Classical Period of 1700 - 1825.

It explores not just new musical formulas but also seek nature, mystery, nocturnal, spiritual, strange and national ideas or themes in the music.
This period also puts heavy emphasis to extreme subjectivism.

Often, but not all, works during period tend to push the boundaries of emotions as well as structures and styles of composing.

Typical Urtex books were marked differently by professors during lessons in order to bring out more drama and emotion.

I know that there are 75 years of Romantic Period and 75 years of Classical Period, which will put the Romantic period 1825-1900 and Classical Period 1750-1825. This is a silly math mistake.

From the college music history classes, Romantic and Classical classes, we all know there are 75 years in both periods.

The point I made still stands and has not changed, just the dates got added wrong.

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#2109339 - 06/27/13 10:45 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Schubertslieder]
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Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder

I know that there are 75 years of Romantic Period and 75 years of Classical Period...we all know there are 75 years in both periods.

Where did this come from? You're making it sound like there are absolute dates for both periods - there is a lot of overlap, and besides "Romantic" and "Classical" are not clearly defined terms. Early Classical music was composed long before 1750, and Beethoven was writing Romantic music before the 1825 date that you state. Meanwhile, late Romantic music was written by composers such as Rachmaninoff decades into the twentieth century.
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#2109344 - 06/27/13 10:50 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder

I know that there are 75 years of Romantic Period and 75 years of Classical Period...we all know there are 75 years in both periods.

Where did this come from? You're making it sound like there are absolute dates for both periods - there is a lot of overlap, and besides "Romantic" and "Classical" are not clearly defined terms. Early Classical music was composed long before 1750, and Beethoven was writing Romantic music before the 1825 date that you state. Meanwhile, late Romantic music was written by composers such as Rachmaninoff decades into the twentieth century.


In all my years of studying music and reading about music, I have never heard of a definitive 75-year time span for each of the Classical and Romantic periods; given some thought, that idea just doesn't make sense.

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#2109361 - 06/27/13 11:25 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder

I know that there are 75 years of Romantic Period and 75 years of Classical Period...we all know there are 75 years in both periods.

Where did this come from? You're making it sound like there are absolute dates for both periods - there is a lot of overlap, and besides "Romantic" and "Classical" are not clearly defined terms. Early Classical music was composed long before 1750, and Beethoven was writing Romantic music before the 1825 date that you state. Meanwhile, late Romantic music was written by composers such as Rachmaninoff decades into the twentieth century.


In all my years of studying music and reading about music, I have never heard of a definitive 75-year time span for each of the Classical and Romantic periods; given some thought, that idea just doesn't make sense.

Regards,

It is quite possible you have never heard of it.
I am quite sure you have never heard of it as you mentioned above. grin
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#2109363 - 06/27/13 11:39 PM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder

I know that there are 75 years of Romantic Period and 75 years of Classical Period...we all know there are 75 years in both periods.

Where did this come from? You're making it sound like there are absolute dates for both periods - there is a lot of overlap, and besides "Romantic" and "Classical" are not clearly defined terms. Early Classical music was composed long before 1750, and Beethoven was writing Romantic music before the 1825 date that you state. Meanwhile, late Romantic music was written by composers such as Rachmaninoff decades into the twentieth century.


In all my years of studying music and reading about music, I have never heard of a definitive 75-year time span for each of the Classical and Romantic periods; given some thought, that idea just doesn't make sense.

Regards,

Actually, I will be surprised if you say you heard of it, since you already mentioned you never heard of it before. grin
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#2109553 - 06/28/13 09:33 AM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder

I know that there are 75 years of Romantic Period and 75 years of Classical Period...we all know there are 75 years in both periods.

Where did this come from? You're making it sound like there are absolute dates for both periods - there is a lot of overlap, and besides "Romantic" and "Classical" are not clearly defined terms. Early Classical music was composed long before 1750, and Beethoven was writing Romantic music before the 1825 date that you state. Meanwhile, late Romantic music was written by composers such as Rachmaninoff decades into the twentieth century.


In all my years of studying music and reading about music, I have never heard of a definitive 75-year time span for each of the Classical and Romantic periods; given some thought, that idea just doesn't make sense.

Regards,

I also "heard" or was told 1750-1830 for Classical Period and 1830-1900 for Romantic Period. grin

By the way, the word "definitive" was added by someone else to my post while describing the time frame, so I didn't use it. wink

Like you said before, you never heard of it.....and that makes sense. wink
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#2109569 - 06/28/13 10:09 AM Re: Question about play romantic period compositions [Re: tanblytmup]
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The so-called "periods" of music were defined after the fact, are imprecise, and the borders between them are fuzzy- if they exist at all. At any given moment in time composers are writing in range of styles some embracing new trends, others perfecting old ones and some switching around at will.

Bach, for instance, near the end of his life held fast to High Baroque traditions at same time that composers such as Gluck were composing in what we now call the classical style. (But, which, at the time was thought of as just an extension of traditions that had been percolating for some time.) The music of late Beethoven, who we normally lump in with "classical" is harmonically adventurous and structurally complex in a manner closer to that of composers we call "romantic" than it is to the earliest "classical" composers. There is no sharp border between the eras.

Question: Is Schubert late classical or early romantic? If he changed, did he all the sudden start writing "Romantic" music at some point? What about Weber who died in 1826 but is generally considered "Romantic", or John Field, a contemporary of Beethoven who wrote music that sounds quite a bit like, and inspired, the decidedly romantic Chopin. Is Debussy late romantic- as some suggest- or early modern? If he's modern, what about Liszt, who we think of as Romatic, who used techniques that, in retrospect, look very "Debussy-ian" Maybe they're both? What about Richard Strauss, who wrote Lisztian style tone poems until his death in the 1940s?


Edited by Brad Hoehne (06/28/13 11:15 AM)
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