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#2109138 - 06/27/13 03:03 PM The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S
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Rules of the contest...

1. Piano must be new, with nationwide distribution.
2. Piano must be a vertical.
3. Piano must exhibit tone and touch of more expensive pianos.
4. Piano should exhibit some musicality.
5. Piano must exhibit some build quality and longevity.
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#2109150 - 06/27/13 03:50 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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A quality used piano? I bought a super nice Sohmer 45 upright for $500 that sounds better than a $7000 Schulze Pollman upright I bought new.

I know you said new, but if looking for value not sure why you wouldn't look at used.


Edited by johnnysd (06/27/13 03:57 PM)

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#2109157 - 06/27/13 03:59 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Kawai K-15 E upright - that's what I've got! Solid spruce soundboard, great tone and action. Plays like a dream for a piano that's only a couple of thousand.
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#2109158 - 06/27/13 03:59 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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#2109161 - 06/27/13 04:09 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: johnnysd]
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Originally Posted By: johnnysd
A quality used piano? I bought a super nice Sohmer 45 upright for $500 that sounds better than a $7000 Schulze Pollman upright I bought new.

I know you said new, but if looking for value not sure why you wouldn't look at used.


Sorry, gotta be new! frown
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#2109163 - 06/27/13 04:12 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: williambonard]
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Wonder what the difference in the K-15 and the K-15E is, if any?
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#2109181 - 06/27/13 04:42 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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I like the Cunningham consoles. If they're not distributed nationally, your always welcome to move to the Philadelphia area.

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#2109188 - 06/27/13 04:53 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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I think there should be geographical zoning on what is considered cheap

California : Cheap is anything under 195,000.00

New York : 10 K

Washington DC 18 K

Tennessee : Cheap is anything under 50 bucks and you may get complaining even then.
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#2109189 - 06/27/13 04:55 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Probably not a lot. I'm from the UK, I think the K-15 E is the European version and the K-15, the US version?

Either way, they're both 'console' pianos and I imagine are the same, if not, similar spec.
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#2109191 - 06/27/13 04:59 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Charles Walter gets my vote. I've heard Perzina uprights are good but I have never come across one.

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#2109193 - 06/27/13 05:05 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Well, when you factor in the lack of tuning and voicing costs, the Yamaha NU1 would win ... and in about the same foot print the Yamaha N1 would provide a grand piano action.
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#2109238 - 06/27/13 06:56 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Cheap or inexpensive? wink

Cheap can exhibit criteria 1-4 but will always have some compromise about 5.

For me, inexpensive is better than cheap, but we do our very best to price them low.

For cheap, having good design, musical tone, and touch suitable for a late-intermediate player while exhibiting reasonable build quality, Hardman 117 Decorator Studio. No fancy branding and it only comes in brown mahogany, but IMO, it is the best cheap piano I've come across.

When it comes to inexpensive, just about anything Hailun builds (with any of their partnering brands) is in the running. 116, HU-1P, etc. These pianos are tough and musical. Our techs really like them.
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#2109258 - 06/27/13 07:36 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Seems an open ended question. Personnally, i have a kawai k3. I like it.
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#2109270 - 06/27/13 08:01 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Piano must be new, with nationwide distribution.
Piano must be a vertical.
Piano must exhibit tone and touch of more expensive pianos.
Piano should exhibit some musicality.
Piano must exhibit some build quality and longevity.
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#2109278 - 06/27/13 08:16 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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What's the bass string length on that one Marty?

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#2109280 - 06/27/13 08:17 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Allan W.]
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Originally Posted By: Allan W.
What's the bass string length on that one Marty?


ha ha ha ha

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#2109281 - 06/27/13 08:19 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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LOL, thanks Marty! Got one of those, though ours is more a console model. Built like a tank to be sure. Would have to be to keep on kicking after what our boys have put it through wink
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#2109282 - 06/27/13 08:20 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Originally Posted By: Jolly
Originally Posted By: johnnysd
A quality used piano? I bought a super nice Sohmer 45 upright for $500 that sounds better than a $7000 Schulze Pollman upright I bought new.

I know you said new, but if looking for value not sure why you wouldn't look at used.


Sorry, gotta be new! frown


Could I ask why?

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#2109336 - 06/27/13 10:41 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Allan W.]
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Originally Posted By: Allan W.
What's the bass string length on that one Marty?

Bass?

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#2109521 - 06/28/13 08:45 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Del]
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Originally Posted By: Del
Originally Posted By: Allan W.
What's the bass string length on that one Marty?

Bass?

ddf

Well, as Del himself has noted, the length of bass strings is not necessarily the most important criterion for comparison.

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#2109529 - 06/28/13 08:58 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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LOL, Marty.

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#2109541 - 06/28/13 09:19 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Dave Horne]
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Well, when you factor in the lack of tuning and voicing costs, the Yamaha NU1 would win ... and in about the same foot print the Yamaha N1 would provide a grand piano action.



Great choice, but if you have to plug it in, it ain't a piano, IMNSHO...
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#2109548 - 06/28/13 09:27 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Cheap or inexpensive? wink

Cheap can exhibit criteria 1-4 but will always have some compromise about 5.

For me, inexpensive is better than cheap, but we do our very best to price them low.

For cheap, having good design, musical tone, and touch suitable for a late-intermediate player while exhibiting reasonable build quality, Hardman 117 Decorator Studio. No fancy branding and it only comes in brown mahogany, but IMO, it is the best cheap piano I've come across.

When it comes to inexpensive, just about anything Hailun builds (with any of their partnering brands) is in the running. 116, HU-1P, etc. These pianos are tough and musical. Our techs really like them.


So far, the best answer.

The Hardman and the Kawai run close to the same money, so that gives thrifty folks a choice to compare. The K-2 is about a $1000 or so more...I'm guessing we start to get into Hailun country at that point.

Any other contenders, folks?
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#2109561 - 06/28/13 09:50 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Another vote for K-3; I, personally, think that your number #3 criteria rules out the K-2 but I may be very slightly biased given I bought a K-3!
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#2109564 - 06/28/13 10:01 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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All kidding aside, I like the Hailun 50" to meet the criteria. I travel regularly and check out the local piano stores. Those pianos always grab my ears and fingers and am always pleasantly surprised by the price.

Though not available nationally, the Cunningham 48" leads the pack, even in comparison to verticals considered to be in a 'higher tier.' I prefer their response, tone and action, to the Kawais.
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#2109612 - 06/28/13 11:34 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Without comparing a near same pricee - impossible to do.
What price point are pianos to be compared within?
3-4-5-6k?
Small increases making HUGE difference...
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#2109622 - 06/28/13 11:53 AM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Norbert]
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Without comparing a near same pricee - impossible to do.
What price point are pianos to be compared within?
3-4-5-6k?
Small increases making HUGE difference...
Norbert smile


I agree.

The question is actually kinda open to two interpretations:

1. Scenario 1: The shopper with a very modest budget, who would rather purchase an acoustic vs. a digital and needs some reasons to spend a bit more money. These are the guys who will buy the 3-4K pianos...and hopefully, there are some pianos worth buying in that price range, that represent good value.

2. The Stealth Piano. The piano that may cost a bit more, but can really run with more expensive brethren. At one point in time, the Walter studio and the big Petrof vertical would be my idea of stealth pianos. Now, not so much, because of price increases. In this thread, example of Stealth Verticals would be the 50" Hailun and 48" Cunningham pianos.

What would your choices be?
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#2109643 - 06/28/13 12:21 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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For a stealth piano, you should include the W.Hoffmanns.
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#2109749 - 06/28/13 03:29 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Quote:
In this thread, example of Stealth Verticals would be the 50" Hailun and 48" Cunningham pianos.

What would your choices be?


None of the above.

Kidding only...

Norbert grin whome help


Edited by Norbert (06/28/13 03:30 PM)
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#2109826 - 06/28/13 05:32 PM Re: The Best Cheap, Inexpensive, Value-Laden Vertical in the U.S [Re: Jolly]
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Hey Norbert,

Ever thought of becoming the Western Canada dealership for Cunningham?
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