Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
131 registered (Anne'sson, audiophon, AjLongsPiano, 36251, 32 invisible), 1546 Guests and 9 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Topic Options
#2109159 - 06/27/13 04:01 PM What tempo would this be?
JoelW Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 5098
Loc: USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shuYzEPEt38

I'm arranging this for piano and I can't find any original scores by Kreisler for guidance.

Thanks.

Top
Piano & Music Acc. / Sheet Music


Sheet Music Plus Homepage
#2109180 - 06/27/13 04:39 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Nikolas Online   content
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 5873
Loc: Europe
I don't get your question at all...

why don't you arrange the first few bars of the main theme (AFTER the intro) and then check to see what you're getting on your metronome.

I'm in bed right now (extremely tired), but I'd say that this is a 3/4 and the dotted quarter is at around 48 or 52... but it's highly rubato (and that violin playing... Oh dear the vibrato!!!)
_________________________
http://www.musica-ferrum.com

Top
#2109257 - 06/27/13 07:35 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Schubertslieder Offline
Full Member

Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 373
Loc: Michigan, USA
I have around 46 in 6/8 time with dotted quater getting the main beat. I think it is compound meter with two main beats and three subdivided 8th notes fitting into the dotted quater just going by how it sounds.

Best
_________________________
Charles Peck (American)--Metropolitan
Debussy--various pieces
Grieg--various pieces

Top
#2109351 - 06/27/13 10:59 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: Schubertslieder]
Polyphonist Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 8415
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: Schubertslieder
I have around 46 in 6/8 time with dotted quater getting the main beat. I think it is compound meter with two main beats and three subdivided 8th notes fitting into the dotted quater just going by how it sounds.

Best

I do think it's a compound meter, but it could be 6/4. Then you and Nikolas would both be "sort of right."
_________________________
Regards,

Polyphonist

Top
#2109369 - 06/27/13 11:58 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
JoelW Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 5098
Loc: USA
It's definitely in compound meter. I'd go with 3/4. I asked about the tempo because I wasn't sure if calling it "tempo rubato" was fitting. I figured maybe "andante" would work but I'm still not sure.

Top
#2109378 - 06/28/13 12:25 AM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Schubertslieder Offline
Full Member

Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 373
Loc: Michigan, USA
Polyphonist

Read your PM. It is about ignore.
_________________________
Charles Peck (American)--Metropolitan
Debussy--various pieces
Grieg--various pieces

Top
#2109401 - 06/28/13 01:21 AM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
currawong Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/15/07
Posts: 6058
Loc: Down Under
Originally Posted By: JoelW
It's definitely in compound meter. I'd go with 3/4.
But 3/4 is not compound metre.
_________________________
Du holde Kunst...

Top
#2109412 - 06/28/13 01:43 AM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: currawong]
JoelW Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 5098
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: currawong
Originally Posted By: JoelW
It's definitely in compound meter. I'd go with 3/4.
But 3/4 is not compound metre.


I need to take theory again. cry

Top
#2109415 - 06/28/13 01:53 AM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Schubertslieder Offline
Full Member

Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 373
Loc: Michigan, USA
Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: currawong
Originally Posted By: JoelW
It's definitely in compound meter. I'd go with 3/4.
But 3/4 is not compound metre.


I need to take theory again. cry

grin
Compound meter is just divisible by three, so 6/8, 9/8, 12/8, and so on, for example. The top number in time signature has to be divisible by 3.

There are main beats and these are further subdivided into smaller pulses.

Best
_________________________
Charles Peck (American)--Metropolitan
Debussy--various pieces
Grieg--various pieces

Top
#2109545 - 06/28/13 09:24 AM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Steve Chandler Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 2892
Loc: Urbandale, Iowa
Tempo Rubato sounds good to me. It's all over the map tempo wise, frankly it's almost as crazy as a mazurka. As for the meter it's definitely 3 something (so you're all right), but I don't get a strong sense of a compound meter.

Top
#2118160 - 07/15/13 06:43 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: Nikolas]
IstvŠnE Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 84
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Oh dear the vibrato!!!)


What do you mean by this?

Top
#2118610 - 07/16/13 04:04 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: IstvŠnE]
Nikolas Online   content
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 5873
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: gizzards
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Oh dear the vibrato!!!)


What do you mean by this?

It's been more than two weeks since I heard the video, but I think that I mean that I found the vibrato overwhelming in general...
_________________________
http://www.musica-ferrum.com

Top
#2118657 - 07/16/13 05:34 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
JoelW Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 5098
Loc: USA
You don't like Kreisler?

Top
#2118658 - 07/16/13 05:41 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Nikolas Online   content
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 5873
Loc: Europe
when I heard the piece it sounded that there was too much vibrato. That's all. I don't see the point in making this a big deal or anything...
_________________________
http://www.musica-ferrum.com

Top
#2118663 - 07/16/13 05:44 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
JoelW Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 5098
Loc: USA
You don't like Kreisler?!? We cannot have this. I'm requesting a temporary ban for you.


laugh

Top
#2120215 - 07/19/13 03:22 PM Re: What tempo would this be? [Re: JoelW]
Michael Sayers Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/15/13
Posts: 2212
Loc: Stockholms län, Sverige
Originally Posted By: JoelW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shuYzEPEt38

I'm arranging this for piano and I can't find any original scores by Kreisler for guidance.

Thanks.


Hi Joel,

I've been using this link to get accurate m.m markings for a large number of compositions:

http://www.vocalist.org.uk/beats_per_minute_reference_chart.html

It seems like the page needs to be refreshed everytime rather than clicking on reset (maybe just an issue with this computer).


M.

Top

Moderator:  Piano World 
Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
Composer Statuettes
(ad) Teaching Music To Children
Teaching Music to Children
(ad) Yamaha Stage Pianos
Yamaha CP4 & CP40 Stage Pianos
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Mason & Hamlin Piano Factory Tours
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Piano moving stories in Montreal
by guyl
29 minutes 0 seconds ago
Kawai MP7 changing rhythms
by kiwikeys
Today at 02:28 PM
Weird Trade Question
by MAK
Today at 02:07 PM
Who are the top 5 or 10 harpsichordists?
by BWV 846
Today at 01:20 PM
Grade 10 RCM Study Questions
by Rothwell
Today at 11:54 AM
What's Hot!!
New Forum for Selling Your Products or Services
--------------------
Historic Piano Documents
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Forum Stats
80,231 Registered Members
44 Forums
165,939 Topics
2,432,255 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission