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#2123139 - 07/26/13 03:07 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Anne H]
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Originally Posted By: Anne H
I spent two hours trying to get a recording today with no luck. Hopefully tomorrow, but I'm definitely feeling temporarily blah about my piece. I know it backwards and forwards and still can't quite make it stick, despite playing other harder things. Anyone else feeling like they have some kind of mental block going on?

Every time I record.

Try to limit your recording sessions! For the Mendelssohn I did the marathon recording sessions and wound up hurting myself from the tension. My best takes were always in the first 3. Take a few days off, and just go for 3 recordings a day. You've got over a month, and maybe by giving yourself plenty of time to screw up, the pressure will be off.

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#2123682 - 07/27/13 07:19 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Wanted!: more Grieg recital participants....

….but only a few!

As many will be more or less aware, since April, ABF members have been engaged in preparing a recital of Grieg’s wonderful Lyric Pieces for airing on the 15th September. Inevitably after the initial dash for the most popular/accessible in this collection, the choice thinned out with pick-up slowing through crawl to standstill and that is where we are at the moment – but, remarkably, with only 2 pieces of the original 66 still free!

More remarkable is that those 2 remaining pieces are both a delight and much less of an undertaking at an intermediate level than one might imagine. They are:-

op.65 no.4 - Salon




op.68 no.6 – Melancholy Waltz




Both pieces consist of three repeats of the one idea with a short coda for the Waltz, so Salon is little more than a single page of learning, Melancholy Waltz is barely more than two pages. No doubt these are well within the abilities of some existing participants but it would be nice to snare some freshers to this recital so perhaps leave the weekend free to see if these are picked up by newcomers, then from Monday a free for all.

You’d be quite MAD not to want to play these!

There’s more!

Possibly because we’re in the holiday season, but maybe because some are having second thoughts about their commitment, a few have failed to respond to a call for confirmation that they’re on track to submit their performances. For now, we’re asking that anyone interested watch this space to see if some of the earlier selected pieces come up as re-issues. Initially, any such would become available only to ‘understudy’ since the original taker would have first refusal until it’s known for sure whether or not they still intend to submit. Dipsy will be posting a list showing 'confirmed'/'as yet unconfirmed' and 'untaken' either late today or tomorrow when all will become clear.

Putting dibs on a piece on the off chance that it comes up won’t be accepted – nothing can be reserved in advance of it becoming available.

But don’t miss out on this last chance to participate!

have fun….dt

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#2123723 - 07/27/13 09:24 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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I sign up for Op.65/4 "Salon". It's a risky project since I haven't touched the piano for 4 weeks, and there are still 2 weeks left before I return to my instrument. However, I have played the piece earlier and don't think it is too hard.

This will be my third piece. If someone else falls in love with the piece I'll gladly give it away.

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#2123735 - 07/27/13 09:44 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Ganddalf]
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- a lovely piece, Ganddalf. Had it been remaindered towards the end I'd have picked it up myself but that would have been my fourth - it's too many.

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#2124142 - 07/28/13 08:54 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Hi folks,

All the results of the checking in exercise are now in! Nearly 90% of pieces have now been confirmed, which is a very good start - and some have even recorded their pieces.

Note: A handful of people have yet to confirm, despite our efforts to contact you, so there are 6 unconfirmed pieces. If you are one of these people, please get in touch urgently. Alongside each opus heading, the person coordinating the pieces in that opus (opled)is shown.
'Melancholy Waltz' remains the only unclaimed piece.
Unless otherwise stated, all pieces have been confirmed.

Here's the list:

Grieg Lyric Pieces

OPUS 12 -Casinitaly- complete
No 1: Arietta (AimeeO)
No 2: Waltz (Saranoya)
No 3: Watchman's Song (Casinitaly)
No 4: Elve's Dance (LadyChen)
No 5: Popular Melody (AndyPlatt)
No 6: Norwegian Melody (Piano Dad)
No 7: Album Leaf (Saranoya)
No 8: National Song (AZ Astro)

OPUS 38- zrtf90-(complete)
No 1: Berceuse (zrtf90)
No 2: Popular Melody (Wayne33yrs)
No 3: Melody (SwissMS)
No 4: Halling (Piano Dad)
No 5: Spring Dance (zrtf90)
No 6: Elegy (Recaredo)
No 7: Waltz (Dipsy)
No 8: Canon (dynamobt)

OPUS 43- peterws
No 1: Butterfly (Beric)
No 2: Solitary Traveller (Wisebuff)
No 3: In My Native Country (Allard)
No 4: Little Bird (RagnHild)
No 5: Erotik (Peterws)
No 6: To the spring (Carey)

OPUS 47 -PianoStudent88 (complete)
No I: Valse Impromptu (Swissms)
No 2: Album Leaf (Ganddalf)
No 3: Melody (Dipsy)
No 4: Halling (Carlos88)
No 5: Melancholy (Stumbler)
No 6: Spring Dance (Peterws)
No 7: Elegy (PianoStudent88)

OPUS 54- zrtf90 (complete)
No 1: Shepherd's Boy (Beric)
No 2: Norwegian March (zrtf90)
No 3: March of the Trolls (zrtf90)
No 4: Notturno (Dipsy)
No 5: Scherzo (PatH)
No 6: Bell Ringing (Sinophilia)

OPUS 57 - PianoStudent88
No 1: Vanished Days (dire tonic)
No 2: Gade (Sam S)
No 3: Illusion (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Secret (Beric)
No 5: She Dances (Dire Tonic)
No 6: Homesickness (RagnHild)

OPUS 62 - dipsy
No 1: Sylph (niluh01)
No 2: Gratitude (SamS)
No 3: French Serenade (yester)
No 4: Brooklet (niluh01)
No 5: Phantom (Pavel.K)

No 6: Homeward (Morodiene)

OPUS 65 - PianoStudent88 (complete)
No 1: From Early Years (Morodiene)
No 2: Peasant's Song (Wisebuff)
No 3: Melancholy (PianoStudent88)
No 4: Salon (Ganddalf)
No 5: Ballad (Rupak Bhattacharya)
No 6: Wedding Day at Troldhauen (Ganddalf)

OPUS 68 - dire tonic
No 1: Sailor's song (ElleC)
No 2: Grandmother's Minuet (yester)
No 3: At Your Feet (dire tonic)
No 4: Evening in the mountains (Limefriday)
No 5: Cradle Song (Carey)
No 6: Melancholy Waltz - untaken

OPUS 71 - AnneH (complete)
No 1: Once upon a time (AnneH)
No 2: Summer Evening (Farmgirl)
No 3: Puck (Farmgirl)
No 4: Peace of the Woods (Valencia)
No 5: Halling (Morodiene)
No 6: Gone (Keystring)
No 7: Remembrances (dynamobt)

Hope you found this interesting!


Edited by Dipsy (07/28/13 02:45 PM)

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#2124277 - 07/28/13 02:40 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Hello all, sorry I've been absent for soooooo long, just been real busy and not had chance for much Piano Practice. I guess since there's 6 weeks left, I will try my best lol, so consider me confirmed wink

A big congrats and THANK YOU to Dipsey for getting all the pieces taken (bar Opus 68 - No 6: Melancholy Waltz - surely someone out there is able to take it.......come on folks)

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#2124279 - 07/28/13 02:43 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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HIYA WAYNE!!

Its so good to hear from you again - especially as you've just confirmed! thumb

keep up the good work

x

- off to update the list now smile

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#2124308 - 07/28/13 04:27 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Glad to see you over here, Wayne, I would have missed your performance in this recital, dude.
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#2124437 - 07/28/13 08:38 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Hi Wayne! You can learn your piece in 6 weeks, I'm sure. smile
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#2124822 - 07/29/13 01:17 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Oh, look who's graced us with his presence wink
Welcome back Wayne! Get to practicing!

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#2124859 - 07/29/13 02:27 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Pavel.K has just confirmed everyone! So we're now down to 5 'unconfirmed', plus the untaken 'melancholy waltz' op 68:6.

(BTW, it wasn't just me who worked to produce the list - each opled contacted the people in their opus to ask them to check in - so thanks go to Casinitaly, zrtf90, peterws, PianoStudent88, Anne H and dire tonic! Without this team effort this project would be a bit much)!



Edited by Dipsy (07/29/13 02:45 PM)

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#2125470 - 07/30/13 06:22 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Thanks for the welcome back/encouragment guys, looking forward to it wink

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#2125542 - 07/30/13 09:07 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Thank you leaders!!! This is an amazing feat. Would anyone be offended if I write this thread up as an example of communication on line?

Looking forward to the great listening experience.
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#2125675 - 07/31/13 01:55 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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I love seeing this all come together!

Wisebuff - I think it would be pretty neat if you wrote this thread up - there are a lot of great aspects to talk about.

....but we have to get to read the article, right? smile
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#2125747 - 07/31/13 08:52 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Today I played my piece for a friend, over Skype!

It went...not too shabbily at all, though I will confess to having been somewhat thrown off by the car alarm that went off just before my finale....!
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#2125755 - 07/31/13 09:20 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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I have Berceuse in three parts and each is doing fine. Gangar is in bits. Each bit is ok and is in much larger sections HS than it is HT. With six weeks to go I'm not concerned about it yet.

I recently picked up Spring Dance, 38/5, and I'm still at the listening stage. Apart from a stretched chord there's little to prevent this being played from the score.

I've also just got my grubby little mitts on my first choice piece, 54/3. In just a couple of days I have each hand memorised though not quite up to tempo for the first two pages (which are also the last two) so it's just a time and co-ordination issue and the middle section, which I can sing from memory and have read through a few times. To be fair, this piece has been on my to-do list for some time and is well memorised as far as sound goes. It's looking very good.

The only real concern I have is getting my ABF Recital piece in and wondering when I'll get back to Bach and Scarlatti!
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#2125760 - 07/31/13 09:40 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: zrtf90]
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"Gade" is sounding pretty good, relatively speaking. I've stabilized at a moderate tempo, not as fast as the recordings I've listened to, but about the best I can do. It's really a very nice piece. Lot's of repetition, but that seems typical of Grieg. And he seems very fond of the subdominant to tonic cadence - the old "Amen" at the end of hymns.

"Takk" is odd - I can't think of a better way to describe it. It has a very beautiful A section (which returns, of course) that reminds me of one of Mendelssohn's Songs without Words. But the B section is awkward and very contrasting - a series of dissonant chords that get louder and faster until they end in a ninth chord. Then it's back to the A section again - and so forth. It ends with another "Amen" cadence.

Now, recording them is another thing altogether.

Sam

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#2125773 - 07/31/13 10:17 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Quote:
[/quote]recording them is another thing altogether[quote]


I know what you mean! For the last recitals, someone else did that for me. This time around, I've been lacking in knowledge of what equipment to use/how to use equipment - not to mention the equipment itself! This whole experience continues to be a v steep 'learning curve' for me. And in my case 10% of this recital rests on getting it right.

Although the fact that I'm being pushed way outside my comfort zone is good for me, and I'm getting there slowly, it would be so easy to hope for a technically-minded 'rescuer' on a white charger instead!

If you feel your piece is ready enough to have a go at recording, how are you getting on with it? I know that some of you have already done your recordings, but are any of you having difficulty with this (apart from problems with your playing)?


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#2125775 - 07/31/13 10:25 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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The Solitary Traveler or Lonely Wanderer (43#2), as the book may be, is under my fingers but the connecting of note to note or chord to chord is not as smooth as my teacher (and I) want it. Sure the pedal will hide a lot of that but I'm spending 20 minutes or so per phrase working to teach my fingers to be in position a titch quicker to smooth it out. Pretty much the same with Peasant's song (65#2). Tempo will be what it will be by recording time. Both are nice singing pieces. Haven't subjected either one to the red dot test yet. Might wait until after the Denver Piano Party on Aug 17.
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#2125776 - 07/31/13 10:28 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Sam S]
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I have an initial recording of Melody (38 3) done, but since I have the time, I am going to continue to work on it and try to bring up the tempo a bit. The rapid changes between the arpeggio runs are my limiter right now.

Valse Impromptu, on the other hand, is giving my left hand fits. It has a lot of large stretches. I can handle it and stay relaxed at slow tempo, but when I speed it up, I tense up. So, it will be slow and steady until my hand decides it can stay relaxed. This is one I cannot push the tempo, or I end up hurting. I have taken it down to one chord at a time - check relaxation - play the next chord. I will get there. It probably will not end up as fast as the big boys, but it will do.
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#2125789 - 07/31/13 10:48 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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4 days before I return home and can get back into a practice routine! I've been able to sort of maintain my pieces that I started before leaving a month ago (65/1 & 71/5). I have not yet started on Homeward (62/6), but I think I will be able to take care of that in August. I'm hoping to get my pieces pretty much taken care of before I move back to FL for the school year in Sept. However, I'm only working on my digital piano in WI, so most likely I'll be doing the VST thing for recording, or going to the local conservatory and borrowing their Yamaha C7 if I can work that out somehow. smile
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#2125798 - 07/31/13 11:03 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Dipsy]
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Originally Posted By: Dipsy

If you feel your piece is ready enough to have a go at recording, how are you getting on with it? I know that some of you have already done your recordings, but are any of you having difficulty with this (apart from problems with your playing)?


I use a USB microphone connected to my laptop and the Audacity recording software. I have done 19 ABF quarterly recitals that way. It's a cheap and relatively easy way to record audio. Quality is not great, but neither is my playing! If I really want a video of me playing then I use a camera that does video. Then I have to use imovie to sync up the audio recording with the video - that's cumbersome. Usually if I make a video I use screen captures of the sheet music as a background, then I don't need a camera and I don't have to sync up the audio.

Other people use the hand-held recorders, some of which do video. They are very popular in the forums and easy to use - someone else can fill you in I'm sure. And some people just use their smartphone...

Sam


Edited by Sam S (07/31/13 11:04 AM)
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#2125801 - 07/31/13 11:11 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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Sam S, what software do you use to combine the sheet music images with the recorded audio to make a video?

I just use my iPhone to make my videos, and a borrowed tripod. I'm not sure if the iPhone smushes out the dynamics or not, though. I should do some sound tests.
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#2125887 - 07/31/13 01:45 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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So I did audio and video separately... and there's no way I can sync them in a satisfactory way. I think I'll make another video of myself playing while I listen to my recording... Playing while listening... ouch! That won't be easy.
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#2125931 - 07/31/13 03:05 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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I sense a lot of feverish recording activity out there!
That delight awaits me, but since even an excellent quality recording can't 'make a silk purse out of a sow's ear' (to use an English expression), I'll need to work on my pieces for a while yet. My fingering is still not embedded and I'm in too much of a rush to push ahead at the moment.

Quote:
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I use a USB microphone connected to my laptop and the Audacity recording software. I have done 19 ABF quarterly recitals that way. It's a cheap and relatively easy way to record audio. Quality is not great, but neither is my playing! If I really want a video of me playing then I use a camera that does video. Then I have to use imovie to sync up the audio recording with the video - that's cumbersome. Usually if I make a video I use screen captures of the sheet music as a background, then I don't need a camera and I don't have to sync up the audio.

Other people use the hand-held recorders, some of which do video. They are very popular in the forums and easy to use - someone else can fill you in I'm sure. And some people just use their smartphone.[quote]


Thanks for the helpful suggestions Sam. When the time comes I'll see what equipment I can muster!

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#2125948 - 07/31/13 03:26 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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This might be helpful to someone:

If you have a digital camera that takes videos, there's an adapter cord that you can get to connect to the zoom recorder to sync the video to your audio while getting a better sound. We have one but haven't tested it yet. (I'm hoping to for this recital, however!)
Ours is from Sescon. I don't know anything about cameras, so I don't know anything about the specs. But the option's there!


Edited by AimeeO (07/31/13 03:29 PM)

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#2126056 - 07/31/13 06:53 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Sam S, what software do you use to combine the sheet music images with the recorded audio to make a video?


I'm using a mac, so I use imovie. First I download the sheet music from imslp, then do screen grabs of the music. Those are loaded into iphoto (which makes it easier to get them into imovie). I load all the music screen grabs into imovie as a slide show. Then load the mp3 as the background music. I have to adjust the length of time each slide is on screen to coincide with the music. Then export to youtube.

If you are using a PC, I'm sure there is similar software.

Sam

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#2126060 - 07/31/13 07:06 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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I'm using my little zoom Q3. It's Inexpensive, and works fine if you're fairly close to it (and using a tripod).

Then you have no audio/video sync issues.

If I want really good video quality, I use my Canon SLR. But I actually prefer the audio from the zoom.
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#2126179 - 08/01/13 12:28 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Sam S]
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Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Sam S, what software do you use to combine the sheet music images with the recorded audio to make a video?


I'm using a mac, so I use imovie. First I download the sheet music from imslp, then do screen grabs of the music. Those are loaded into iphoto (which makes it easier to get them into imovie). I load all the music screen grabs into imovie as a slide show. Then load the mp3 as the background music. I have to adjust the length of time each slide is on screen to coincide with the music. Then export to youtube.

If you are using a PC, I'm sure there is similar software.

Sam



Windows Movie Maker(!#$@%$@$!!!!). You can insert images at different points. It is straightforward, unless it decides to not cooperate. (I am still struggling with Post Traumatic WMM Disorder from last recital. The first time I used it, it was a piece of cake. The second time, it was out to get me. I promise! I have a new computer with Windows 8(#^&#%^!), so I should have probably started last week to put it together.)

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#2126186 - 08/01/13 12:51 AM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]
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I am soliciting last minute pedal opinions on my piece, if anyone has any thoughts.
It's Arietta op 1 no 1, on page one of your Dover Book. I wish I was savvy enough to post the chunk in question.

Measures 5-8 can be particularly muddy, if you're not careful. How would you do it? Hold for 2 measures? After each quarter in the bass line? Half pedal? Whole pedal? I've even considered after the first quarter of the melody in measures 6 and 8.

Just curious!

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