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#2110688 - 06/30/13 04:08 PM Order of operations
JoelW Offline
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If a piano needs to be tuned, voiced and regulated, and needs a couple strings replaced, is there a specific order it needs to happen in?

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#2110692 - 06/30/13 04:18 PM Re: Order of operations [Re: JoelW]
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Strings, regulation, tuning and voicing, and repeat any steps that are necessary.
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#2110731 - 06/30/13 05:33 PM Re: Order of operations [Re: JoelW]
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Yup. As BDB says....

Strings first, to get them starting on stabilizing and loading the soundboard and bridges evenly.

Regulation next. You can't tune a piano that won't play, and you can't voice a piano where the hammers are getting to the strings with uneven energy. Fine regulation must precede the voicing. Always.

Tuning followed by voicing.

Rinse and repeat.
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#2110793 - 06/30/13 07:00 PM Re: Order of operations [Re: JoelW]
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Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication and Division, Addition and Subtraction.

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#2110806 - 06/30/13 07:11 PM Re: Order of operations [Re: JoelW]
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What TunerJeff and BDB said.

What pianoloverus has to contribute I don't know.

Depending on the customer and his or her budget. I would first try to roughly tune the piano. This would allow me to determine what regulation is needed, the state of the pinblock, and if other strings break.

Then replace strings, regulate, tune again, regulate again, start voicing, tune again, regulate again etc....

Rinse and repeat as Jeff said. All aspects, parameters, affect one another.

All the best.
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#2110905 - 06/30/13 11:48 PM Re: Order of operations [Re: JoelW]
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PEMDAS said out loud with terms is a mnemonic device for remembering the solving order of an equation. So it is a little "math" pun.

Clean ,Repair, Recondition, Rough-tune, Regulate, Fine-tune, and Voice "CRRRtRFtV" would be the one for piano technicians. It just doesn't roll off the tongue well though!
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#2110916 - 07/01/13 12:14 AM Re: Order of operations [Re: JoelW]
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I would rough tune it first(takes only 10 -15 minutes, and you can see what other strings might break, and also get a feel for other issues that might need to be addressed.) I would then replace all the broken strings. Regulation is next. Then tune it. Of course you will need to be back in a week or two to pull up the strings which were replaced
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