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#2111075 - 07/01/13 09:42 AM Nocturne in G Major | Op. 3 No. 3 | Original Composition
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Registered: 08/28/12
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Loc: Portugal


Hello, here is my third nocturne!

Sorry for the mistakes, you know, I like to include challenging parts in my compositions and then I've troubles to record them properly.

Sheet music is available on my website.

Any comments/suggestions?

I had lot of troubles on this piece to write the sheet music and the result it was "a little" strange as you can see in the sheet (on my website). I've used time signatures like 19/8, 20/8, 11/4 and always changing! I guess that is very bad notation frown


Thanks,
Miguel


Edited by mpmusic (07/01/13 09:45 AM)
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#2111798 - 07/02/13 07:44 PM Re: Nocturne in G Major | Op. 3 No. 3 | Original Composition [Re: mpmusic]
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Hi,

That is quite a nice composition! In terms of notation - I would recommend you don't worry too much about it. The notation is a way of describing the music, not the other way around. If you get bogged down too much in making the notation look good, you may sacrifice the originality and imagination! To be honest, the changing time signatures shouldn't be a problem, you only have to look at Bartok's music to see that dynamic key signatures can create amazing pieces of music! Music is more than just melody/harmony, there's also rhythm to consider!

Not sure if I have any advice at the moment, I'm sort of new to composing!

/Jordan

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#2112026 - 07/03/13 07:06 AM Re: Nocturne in G Major | Op. 3 No. 3 | Original Composition [Re: JordanCooney]
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Originally Posted By: JordanCooney
Hi,

That is quite a nice composition! In terms of notation - I would recommend you don't worry too much about it. The notation is a way of describing the music, not the other way around. If you get bogged down too much in making the notation look good, you may sacrifice the originality and imagination! To be honest, the changing time signatures shouldn't be a problem, you only have to look at Bartok's music to see that dynamic key signatures can create amazing pieces of music! Music is more than just melody/harmony, there's also rhythm to consider!

Not sure if I have any advice at the moment, I'm sort of new to composing!

/Jordan


Thanks for commenting smile I agree with what you said.
I write the sheet music after doing the composition so I don't sacrifice anything this way. My concern is that probably there is some way of doing the sheet music with a more usual notation. I will take a look on Bartok's music smile
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#2112130 - 07/03/13 11:19 AM Re: Nocturne in G Major | Op. 3 No. 3 | Original Composition [Re: mpmusic]
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Originally Posted By: mpmusic

I write the sheet music after doing the composition so I don't sacrifice anything this way. My concern is that probably there is some way of doing the sheet music with a more usual notation. I will take a look on Bartok's music smile

Your piece is nice enough and it's certainly dramatic. You obviously have some facility with music and harmony, but I don't believe you've spent enough time on your themes to make them strongly memorable. You seem to like to establish a rhythm and shift between two chords and then modify the progression as a way of moving on. I suggest you try establishing a chord progression that is longer and then establish a melody that rides on top of that progression. You want to use the usual tools of melodic development to establish a strongly memorable melody.

This piece seems to be all about drama and building for dramatic effect yet it takes more than 5 minutes (and 3 sections) before I heard anything that sounded like a familiar theme coming back. That's far too long. This piece goes to too many places and doesn't develop any of its ideas since the reprise of the first section is exactly that a reprise, not development.

To wrap this up, you have skill at building drama and some ability for interesting harmonies in your transitions, but your melodies and the harmonies of each section would benefit from more thought and effort to make them more substantial.

When I mentioned the usual tools of melodic development I meant motivic imitation and/or sequence, then there's always the dotted rhythm, contrast, and the concept of the melodic arch. I'm sure there are others that I've overlooked. I'm not going to explain these because I don't know if you care.

This piece is an example of what happens when you base a piece on an improvisation. Most people don't have the improvisatory skills to develop a strong theme and usually go with what they can play, then to add difficulty will add decoration.


Edited by Steve Chandler (07/03/13 11:23 AM)
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#2112234 - 07/03/13 02:29 PM Re: Nocturne in G Major | Op. 3 No. 3 | Original Composition [Re: Steve Chandler]
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Originally Posted By: Steve Chandler

Your piece is nice enough and it's certainly dramatic. You obviously have some facility with music and harmony, but I don't believe you've spent enough time on your themes to make them strongly memorable. You seem to like to establish a rhythm and shift between two chords and then modify the progression as a way of moving on. I suggest you try establishing a chord progression that is longer and then establish a melody that rides on top of that progression. You want to use the usual tools of melodic development to establish a strongly memorable melody.

This piece seems to be all about drama and building for dramatic effect yet it takes more than 5 minutes (and 3 sections) before I heard anything that sounded like a familiar theme coming back. That's far too long. This piece goes to too many places and doesn't develop any of its ideas since the reprise of the first section is exactly that a reprise, not development.

To wrap this up, you have skill at building drama and some ability for interesting harmonies in your transitions, but your melodies and the harmonies of each section would benefit from more thought and effort to make them more substantial.

When I mentioned the usual tools of melodic development I meant motivic imitation and/or sequence, then there's always the dotted rhythm, contrast, and the concept of the melodic arch. I'm sure there are others that I've overlooked. I'm not going to explain these because I don't know if you care.

This piece is an example of what happens when you base a piece on an improvisation. Most people don't have the improvisatory skills to develop a strong theme and usually go with what they can play, then to add difficulty will add decoration.


Thank you for the suggestions! I will try to think more about developing the ideas.

I've already read a book about composition (the basics) an so I'm aware about most of the "usual tools of melodic development" but I trend to base the piece on improvisation as you said. So I have a limitation because my playing skills are not very good since I'm still a beginner on playing the piano. I could try to compose without that improvisational base but I find it requires more motivation.

I hope that as I improve my playing skills I would improve my improvisation skills and consequently I would write more developed pieces. But I will continue to study theory as well. I'm planing to study counterpoint and orchestration. And of course I learn a lot while playing new pieces.
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