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#2111990 - 07/03/13 05:02 AM Replacement Digital Piano.
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Hi, I'm thinking of getting a replacement digital piano and looking for advice on which models would best suit my needs. At present I have a P120 which has served me well for the last 7 years or so. I use the DP only for gigs as I have a nice Sauter upright to use at home and at present I use it a couple of times a week, mostly for weddings and restaurant gigs, playing standards. I use it with a pair of JBL EON 15s. I use only the Grand Piano 1 setting in general although once in a while I use the Church Organ setting for - guess what - church weddings and, sadly, the occasional funeral.

What I like about the P120 is that it is easy to set up, really just plug in and play, and has been entirely reliable in the years that I have had it. I find the keyboard action acceptable rather than great.

What I don't like about the P120 is that frankly the piano sound is not that good and I am starting to find that in its case it is too heavy to carry comfortably, although this is something I can live with if necessary. It's the piano sound that is really bugging me.

It seems to me that I have two options, either get a new DP or get a midi module to plug into the P120 and live with the weight problem. If I get a new DP the requirements are thus:

88 note keyboard.
Really good piano sound.
Lighter in weight than the P120.
Better action than the P120.
Easy to set up and use.
I don't in the least care if it doesn't have internal speakers, built in rhythms, sequencing etc.

Using a midi module doesn't get over the weight problem but might give more 'bang for my buck' or indeed euro. I don't particularly want to use a PC based system as I am concerned (a) that it will over-complicate things and (b) that sooner or later it will fall off and be damaged.

I won't say that price is not an issue, however I am prepared to spend what I need to to get a really good sound (and better touch if I go for a new piano)

Any thoughts?

J-C.





Edited by Jean Claude (07/03/13 07:20 AM)

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#2112060 - 07/03/13 09:12 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Jean Claude]
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What is your budget?
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#2112077 - 07/03/13 09:55 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Morodiene]
Jean Claude Offline
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Honestly I haven't got a budget as such, I've had a look around and my impression is that I'm likely to be looking at around 2-3k (Euros) to get a really good (ie piano-like)sound. I'm Ok with that, much above those figures and I might start to feel fretful...if on the other hand I can get below 2k and still have a really good sound, so much the better.


Edited by Jean Claude (07/03/13 09:57 AM)

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#2112090 - 07/03/13 10:25 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Jean Claude]
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Any of these would probably work fine for you ...


Yamaha P-155

Casio PX-350

Kawai ES7





Edited by dmd (07/03/13 10:26 AM)
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#2112093 - 07/03/13 10:28 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Jean Claude]
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The problem you will run into is that most manufacturers reserve their best sound for their heavier boards. Your P120 weighs around 41lbs, and there are very few quality DPs that weigh less. A Nord Piano 2 (circa 40lbs) or Roland's FP-50 (36lbs) or RD-300NX are probably about the best you can do. Kawai's UPHI sample set only appears in their MP10 (70 lbs), and Yamaha's better SCM sounds start in their CP5 (55lbs). You could consider Korg's Krome 88 (32lbs) although it's very bulky and is not a dedicated piano. Other than that you should check out the Casio range to see if you like the sound.
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#2112096 - 07/03/13 10:30 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Jean Claude]
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What you regard as a not-too-good piano sound probably means nothing to the audience/congregation, who are either talking or singing (at church) or drinking (restaurant) . . dammit, it`s terrible if they actually listen! Bt I know what you mean. The old Yamahas were pretty good in their day. I think they still are.

Trouble is, if you get a great keyboard, it`ll weigh heavily on your pocket and shoulders . . .not fair is it?

Good luck!
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#2112109 - 07/03/13 10:42 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Jean Claude]
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I'm not sure about the P120, but the current Yamaha models with the higher numbers (well, that would be the P155) should be at least as good -- probably better, as the technology would be more current. For the sort of things you're playing, the upper level Yamaha P instruments, or the upper level Casio PX keyboards, are worth considering if you want to stay relatively light. (The P105 is considerably lighter in weight, and cheaper, but decidedly not as good in overall quality -- and touch.)

But don't overlook Roland. Their SuperNatural piano sound, is, in my opinion, the best you'll find. The main problem is that their better boards are going to be even heavier than your existing one. I love the feel and sound of the FP7F or the RD700nx, but the lower level ones -- the RD300nx or the FP4F/FP50 -- are a bit lighter and still have the great piano sound, with an action that isn't quite as good IMO (but still far better than many cheap/older digitals).
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#2112113 - 07/03/13 10:46 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: peterws]
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If you can live with the weight of the P120 the Roland Integra-7 has a very good piano sound, and lots of others. (IMO). Given your budget you could couple this with a lighter DP/Contoller as well.


Edited by willf (07/03/13 10:52 AM)
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#2112136 - 07/03/13 11:30 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: willf]
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Originally Posted By: willf
If you can live with the weight of the P120 the Roland Integra-7 has a very good piano sound, and lots of others. (IMO). Given your budget you could couple this with a lighter DP/Contoller as well.

Even though I expect the sounds are great, the physical footprint is quite large for the Integra. You either need a convenient 18" x 10" surface, or carry a separate rack case, which is, I presume, not ideal. Maybe Roland will bring out an Integra-5, designed more like the Peavey Musebox, for live use.
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#2112138 - 07/03/13 11:31 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: Jean Claude]
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If you don't need internal speakers, have suitable amplification, and if weight and good sound are a concern, IMHO you can't do much better than Clavia's Nord Piano (2). You have to compromise a bit on action though, but that's a trade-off with weight.

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#2113064 - 07/05/13 02:08 AM Re: Replacement Digital Piano. [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Originally Posted By: willf
If you can live with the weight of the P120 the Roland Integra-7 has a very good piano sound, and lots of others. (IMO). Given your budget you could couple this with a lighter DP/Contoller as well.

Even though I expect the sounds are great, the physical footprint is quite large for the Integra. You either need a convenient 18" x 10" surface, or carry a separate rack case, which is, I presume, not ideal. Maybe Roland will bring out an Integra-5, designed more like the Peavey Musebox, for live use.


Ideally I would like it to have the form factor of the Sonic Cell and have 256+ polyphony.
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