Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
137 registered (anamnesis, ando, ajames, accordeur, 41 invisible), 1670 Guests and 18 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
#2112071 - 07/03/13 09:33 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]
Hank Drake Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/31/01
Posts: 1664
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I wonder if this will have any impact on Arkivmusic, which is owned by Steinway.
_________________________
Hank Drake

The composers want performers be imaginative, in the direction of their thinking--not just robots, who execute orders.
George Szell

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#2112115 - 07/03/13 10:47 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Hank Drake]
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 5350
Loc: Philadelphia
Originally Posted By: Hank Drake
I wonder if this will have any impact on Arkivmusic, which is owned by Steinway.

Guessing it will depend a lot on the financial stability of that business segment. They're basically buying a 150 year-old house that they think they can remodel, otherwise touch-up, repackage, and make a good profit off of it. What needs replacing will get replaced. What still looks good may stay. They might also gut the whole thing and rebuild it from the ground up.

But one basic rule of thumb: any noticeable nail sticking up will either get pounded down, or ripped out and (maybe) replaced.

And one basic "axiom" of buyouts: nobody buys a business to leave it exactly as it is. Because if it's working, and working well, the owner won't sell for a good enough price to make the purchase attractive.

Here's a pretty good article on the current deal:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/steinway-to-be-bought-by-kohlberg-for-438-million.html

One thing that really irks me, though:
I'm still amazed that people think the economy is recovering -- and Bloomberg writers, no less! The stock market has recovered (and started a new bubble), but with still-high unemployment, declining wages, exponentially rising food and energy costs, artificially low interest rates, and an ever-growing divide between the upper- and middle- classes (particularly in the US, for foreign readers), I don't see how anyone can think this will end well... our "Economy Train" is still heading for that massive cliff we almost went off in 2008. All we did was build a bridge out over the precipice, but there is no "other side". When we run out of building materials, we will go off the end of the bridge.
_________________________
Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.

Top
#2112255 - 07/03/13 03:22 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]
Brendan Offline



Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 5325
Loc: McAllen, TX
_________________________
http://www.BrendanKinsella.com

Top
#2112265 - 07/03/13 03:43 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Brendan]
Nikolas Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 5366
Loc: Europe
WOW indeed...

I'm speechless!
_________________________
http://www.musica-ferrum.com

Top
#2112297 - 07/03/13 04:23 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]
debrucey Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 2606
Loc: Manchester, UK
The reason Steinways are so popular is largely due to marketing. The business could stand to change in my opinion, as could the pianos.

I would like to see a greater variety of pianos on concert stages. The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.

Top
#2112326 - 07/03/13 05:23 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: debrucey]
Damon Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 6223
Loc: St. Louis area
Originally Posted By: debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.
_________________________
It's been scientifically proven that Horowitz sucks.

Top
#2112358 - 07/03/13 06:32 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: argerichfan]
stores Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/09
Posts: 6648
Loc: Here, as opposed to there
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.
_________________________

"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy

"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."

♪ ≠ $


Top
#2112359 - 07/03/13 06:32 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]
stores Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/09
Posts: 6648
Loc: Here, as opposed to there
I read today that Steinway Hall will become a condo tower. Brilliant, eh?
_________________________

"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy

"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."

♪ ≠ $


Top
#2112522 - 07/04/13 12:22 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: stores]
laguna_greg Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/02/13
Posts: 1382
Loc: guess where in CA and WA
That is just SO depressing!
_________________________
Laguna Greg

1919 Mason & Hamlin AA
1931 Bechstein C - now sold
http://www.triangleassociates-us.com/about_us (my day job)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Taubman (a recent article I wrote about one of my teachers)

Top
#2112523 - 07/04/13 12:25 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Derulux]
laguna_greg Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/02/13
Posts: 1382
Loc: guess where in CA and WA
Hi Deru,

" ...I don't see how anyone can think this will end well..."

No, it can't possibly, and Steinway and its like may be the first casualty.

Please post this on the thread in the "piano" forum, if you would.
_________________________
Laguna Greg

1919 Mason & Hamlin AA
1931 Bechstein C - now sold
http://www.triangleassociates-us.com/about_us (my day job)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Taubman (a recent article I wrote about one of my teachers)

Top
#2112762 - 07/04/13 11:47 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: stores]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.


I better have a 9 foot Steinway sitting in my apartment by Monday. You have 4 days!

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#2112804 - 07/04/13 12:46 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Pogorelich.]
Damon Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 6223
Loc: St. Louis area
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.
_________________________
It's been scientifically proven that Horowitz sucks.

Top
#2112830 - 07/04/13 01:35 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]
ClsscLib Offline

Platinum Supporter until Jan 02 2013


Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 1814
Loc: Northern VA, U.S.
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Don't blame Classical Liberalism.
_________________________


"People may say I can't sing, but no one can ever say I didn't sing."

-- Florence Foster Jenkins

Top
#2112842 - 07/04/13 02:10 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]
JoelW Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 4892
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Politics on Piano World...

Woo-hoo!

Top
#2112849 - 07/04/13 02:19 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: ClsscLib]
JoelW Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 4892
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Don't blame Classical Liberalism.


I'm pretty sure Damon didn't mean Classical Liberalism.

Top
#2112953 - 07/04/13 07:03 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Pogorelich.]
Kuanpiano Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/06/10
Posts: 2151
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.


I better have a 9 foot Steinway sitting in my apartment by Monday. You have 4 days!

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)

The freaking weather here agrees with you! (ugh, rainrainrainrain!)
_________________________
Working on:
Chopin - Andante Spianato and Grande Polonaise Brillante
Rachmaninoff - Preludes op. 23 nos. 3,4,6, op. 32 no.12
Franck - Violin Sonata

Top
#2112957 - 07/04/13 07:11 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]
jazzyprof Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/30/04
Posts: 2642
Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.
_________________________
"Playing the piano is my greatest joy...period."......JP

Top
#2113036 - 07/04/13 11:56 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: jazzyprof]
Kreisler Offline



Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13812
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.
_________________________
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)

www.pianoped.com
www.youtube.com/user/UIPianoPed

Top
#2113037 - 07/04/13 11:57 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Kreisler]
Brendan Offline



Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 5325
Loc: McAllen, TX
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.
_________________________
http://www.BrendanKinsella.com

Top
#2113044 - 07/05/13 12:09 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]
JoelW Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 4892
Loc: USA
This thread will be locked soon. I can smell it.

Top
#2113051 - 07/05/13 12:47 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]
BruceD Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 18227
Loc: Victoria, BC
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,
_________________________
BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190

Top
#2113103 - 07/05/13 05:42 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Brendan]
wr Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/23/07
Posts: 7979
Originally Posted By: Brendan
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.


People.

More specifically, way too many of them.

Top
#2113104 - 07/05/13 05:45 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: wr]
Nikolas Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 5366
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: wr
People.

More specifically, way too many of them.
I was thinking the very same thing, and actually I had expanded my idea a bit, but decided not to post it cause things could get rather nasty...

so... no more Steinway huh? or not?
_________________________
http://www.musica-ferrum.com

Top
#2113196 - 07/05/13 10:58 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: BruceD]
Damon Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 6223
Loc: St. Louis area
Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


I could consider the difference. laugh
_________________________
It's been scientifically proven that Horowitz sucks.

Top
#2113225 - 07/05/13 12:28 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: BruceD]
Pogorelich. Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/28/08
Posts: 4528
Loc: in the past
Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


That's not TOO bad, I guess. I think instead of a car I'll get a cheaper motorcycle, and save up for a Steinway!
_________________________

'I want to invest my emotions only in music; it will never disappoint me or hurt me - it is a safe place to be.'

Top
#2113259 - 07/05/13 01:40 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: laguna_greg]
Derulux Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/06/05
Posts: 5350
Loc: Philadelphia
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
Hi Deru,

" ...I don't see how anyone can think this will end well..."

No, it can't possibly, and Steinway and its like may be the first casualty.

Please post this on the thread in the "piano" forum, if you would.



I've gotten into many a similar discussion over there. wink

I'm on the road right now, but when I get a few minutes (probably Monday/Tuesday), I will check it out and slide in if/where appropriate. Haven't read that forum in a while, so I need to catch up. smile

Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: Brendan
Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: jazzyprof
Originally Posted By: Damon
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.


People.

More specifically, way too many of them.

Sad and unfortunate truth...
_________________________
Every day we are afforded a new chance. The problem with life is not that you run out of chances. In the end, what you run out of are days.

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!

Trade Regrets:
Barry "Bear" Arnaut

(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) Piano Music Sale - Dover Publications
Piano Music Sale
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
HAPPY THANKSGIVING
by musdan
11/26/14 10:07 AM
Book about Alice Herz-Sommer, pianist and holocaust survivor
by neuralfirings
11/26/14 09:20 AM
What does a dealer have to reveal?
by chasingrainbows
11/26/14 09:09 AM
Mark your calendars!
by Rich Galassini
11/26/14 07:30 AM
Why single note intonation came from Russia but not USA?
by Hakki
11/26/14 06:46 AM
Forum Stats
77053 Members
42 Forums
159364 Topics
2341014 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission