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#2109294 - 06/27/13 08:41 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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I'm a firm believer in setting the volume control at a realistic level and then never touching it again - unless you're already an established virtuoso and know how to use a digital purely to learn the notes and to get your fingers fluent, while being able to dissociate yourself from the actual sound. Otherwise, the constantly 'moving goalposts' from changing the volume setting will play havoc with your sense of touch and tonal & dynamic control.

This makes sense to me. I'm no virtuoso, but I'm hopeful that I at least I know what the risks are. Or, more to the point, I'm aware that there ARE pitfalls and I should not complacently treat it like a 1-to-1 substitute for a piano without thinking first about how it should be used and what it will be best for improving and what should be rigorously understood not to be used for.

Which leaves one last question: does 300€ sound like a good price for a Roland RD for 5 weeks?
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#2109447 - 06/28/13 03:11 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
Which leaves one last question: does 300€ sound like a good price for a Roland RD for 5 weeks?


I don't have any experience of rental - you might want to pose this particular question in the digital forum, if you don't get any replies here.
From my experience, the vast majority of people using that forum never read this one, as they aren't interested in classical music.....

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#2109470 - 06/28/13 05:11 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
Which leaves one last question: does 300€ sound like a good price for a Roland RD for 5 weeks?


I don't have any experience of rental - you might want to pose this particular question in the digital forum, if you don't get any replies here.
From my experience, the vast majority of people using that forum never read this one, as they aren't interested in classical music.....


300 euros for five weeks doesn't sound so bad considering my friend paid L400 (400 pounds) to rent a very bright Yahama upright for two weeks in Majorca last year.
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#2109483 - 06/28/13 06:44 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
I'm a firm believer in setting the volume control at a realistic level and then never touching it again - unless you're already an established virtuoso and know how to use a digital purely to learn the notes and to get your fingers fluent, while being able to dissociate yourself from the actual sound. Otherwise, the constantly 'moving goalposts' from changing the volume setting will play havoc with your sense of touch and tonal & dynamic control.

This makes sense to me. I'm no virtuoso, but I'm hopeful that I at least I know what the risks are. Or, more to the point, I'm aware that there ARE pitfalls and I should not complacently treat it like a 1-to-1 substitute for a piano without thinking first about how it should be used and what it will be best for improving and what should be rigorously understood not to be used for.

Which leaves one last question: does 300€ sound like a good price for a Roland RD for 5 weeks?


I would pay it. Besides, whether it's competitive or not only matters if you have an alternative source. The real question is, is this worth the money to you?
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#2109497 - 06/28/13 07:43 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Yeah, that's the question... Obviously it all comes down to money anyway. Unfortunately, 300€ flirts with the edge of what's a tolerable cost for 5 weeks and what seems kind of silly for someone like me.

On the other hand, I can't see another time I'd have a colorable reason to check out the world of digital pianos since I am in no way in the market for one whatsoever as a general matter, and don't see one in my near future. Unless for some reason one of my kids decides to practice way more than they do, challenging me for time at our piano.

I think I might go for it if the RD is that really new one with the cool high end keyboard.
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Chopin, Mazurka Op. 67 No.4
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#2109618 - 06/28/13 11:42 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes

Anybody have a similar suggestion in the Roland/Yamaha brands? I ask simply because I see stores carrying Roland and Yamaha all over the place.

Roland all the way. I am a serious classical pianist and have an FP7F in my apartment. Between the SuperNatural piano sound engine and the PHA-III action, this model or a similar one is the closest thing I've found to practicing on a good acoustic. It is FAR more responsive to nuances of touch than the cheaper Yamahas, Casios, etc. -- even after getting it, I was surprised at just how much it inspires me to practice. I had a cheaper digital for a while (a Korg) and found that it had a tendency to mess up my technique when I would go back to a grand piano, but this Roland, while still not quite the real thing, it MUCH better as a practice instrument

So, the models I would recommend would be the FP7F or its recent replacement, the FP80; or the RD700nx, which has the same action and sound engine but is marketed more for stage use than home use (and has more extra sounds and different features); or, of course, their top-of-the-line V-Piano (which was way out of my price range and is also much heavier).

Some of Roland's lower models (the FP4F, FP50, and RD300nx) have the same or similar sound engine but a different action. I would still take any of these over a Casio or Korg any day, but don't feel quite as good (to me, anyway). There are decent models on the higher end of some other brands that some people like, but it sounds like you've reasonably narrowed your options, so I'll stop here...
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#2110405 - 06/30/13 12:16 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: bennevis]
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There's one RD model that has a short keyboard (64 keys? 73 keys? -- whatever). All the others are OK. The RD-300 and RD-700 will do fine. They're probably around 1000 Euros and up, if you buy one.

Aside from that, 'bennevis' says what needs saying.

Pull out the 300 Euros, buy some headphones, and start playing. Think about pianos and technology when you get home.<g>

. Charles

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#2110483 - 06/30/13 06:35 AM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Done. I let him know I would take it if it is the RD700NX or the FP80/FP7F. Now let's see how quickly it gets to me. I'll consider this a flying success if, after a month, I don't reset back to where I was when I restarted. smile And I get to play with some fun technology while I'm at it!

Found this interesting article on the Wall Street Journal, whose only other interesting feature is that one of the people quoted in the article (Yocheved Kaplinsky) is the daughter-in-law of my piano teacher when I was young. I'd like to think that my teacher would be proud of me for getting back to playing. smile All of my music is marked up in her distinctive handwriting and I have thought about her a lot in the past several months. Thanks, Mrs. Light, for everything!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323605404578384472502632956.html
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Bach, French Suites, No. 3 BWV 814
Brahms, Op. 118 No. 2 Intermezzo A major
Chopin, Mazurka Op. 67 No.4
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#2113254 - 07/05/13 01:24 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Update, for those who were following along...

Big ol' honkin' Roland V-Piano was delivered today! And after a really fun moment of panic during which the delivery guys literally DROPPED THE WHOLE THING FROM WAIST HEIGHT TO THE FLOOR, it was set up and appears to work normally. I still had them note on the delivery receipt what they had done, just in case later something goes wrong and I have to prove I wasn't the one who dropped it.

Anyway, fun, fun, fun! The only one who didn't think so was my four year old son. He came home from camp and went "uh oh, Mommy. Does this mean you're going to practice now like at home?"

You bet! Now go watch some TV.

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Bach, French Suites, No. 3 BWV 814
Brahms, Op. 118 No. 2 Intermezzo A major
Chopin, Mazurka Op. 67 No.4
With the pedal I love to meddle; When Paderewski comes this way... -Irving Berlin

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#2113268 - 07/05/13 01:55 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes


Big ol' honkin' Roland V-Piano was delivered today!

Attagirl! Looks like fun. Now just get rid of those paper scores and set your laptop up on that nice flat surface and you'll be well into the 21st century! grin
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#2113342 - 07/05/13 05:07 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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@TwoSnowflakes,

There is no reason to get rid of your "paper scores" (as mentioned by poster above) as all you need to get for your V-Piano is this:

Manhasset Table Top Stand

Or even better, you can do what I did by using the small support leg from behind the 20-inch stand above with this:

Manhasset Four Score Stand

In this way you can make use of the 32-inch music desk by taking the other small support arm/foot from the 20-inch desk as they are conveniently interchangeable.

Just take off the support arm/foot from the 20-inch desk which will require a wrench or socket wrench and the arm/foot can be attached to the 32-inch desk.

You can reattach the 20-inch desk to the pole of the stand which had the 32-inch desk.

As you now have two working stands!

Extra note:

Be sure to put something soft like a folded over towel underneath the stand so that it doesn't scratch the top of the V-Piano and you're all set.

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#2113372 - 07/05/13 06:03 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Registered: 11/27/06
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There's no one true ultimate best digital piano action.
You'll have to feel the piano.
(Same as you would an acoustic)

Don't expect anything near an acoustic piano sound.
Just hope that you can find something that sounds passable.
Current sampling technology or modelling technology still
can't duplicate acoustic quality sound.
They make some pretty passable substitutes, but they're just
not "all the way there" (yet).

I'd recommend a Yamaha CP33 or a Kawaii MP10.

Good luck to ya smile

Holy cow - just finished the thread and see ya gotta vpiano!

That thing is pretty spendy I think, eh??

How's the sound?
You are gonna have to get a better stand than THAT smile
Also, have mercy on your son and get some headphones.


Edited by Stephen Hazel (07/05/13 06:09 PM)
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#2113398 - 07/05/13 07:08 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Ha, I have the headphones. It's speakers I don't have, so actually my son is totally confused as to what in the WORLD I'm doing silently like this.

I am not going to buy a stand, though in an ideal world, I would. I am utterly done spending money just so I can practice when I'll be back to my regular piano July 29. I discovered that my laptop makes a perfectly fine music stand. The screen can be tilted as necessary to angle the book, and the top row of keys on the keyboard seems to keep the book from sliding off just fine.

And, as others have pointed out, my laptop also makes a perfectly fine source of music itself, so I think it's time for me to stop spending money now, and just practice.

Which I have done. For the last 6 hours. Not maintainable, because I can already feel my hands are sore, but I made a big push to the end on the c-sharp nocturne, and I hope it is sounding within spitting distance of being something I can arguably play. Maybe if I'm up for some pummeling from you guys, I'll record it and let a bunch of much more talented pianists tell me just how far from acceptable it is. Besides, it'll give me a reason to record and send it to my teacher, who I'm sure is wondering what kind of progress I'm making without her.

As for the rest, I crawled back to the Mozart; it's sounding really rough and I can't make it better. I think I jumped into it too early after getting back into piano and now I can't re-imprint the learning of it with the skills I now am much better at. Maybe I should put it aside for a few months.

I didn't start the Bach yet, still intimidated, but I will tackle Bach of one sort or another.

But I did do two hours of scales/arpeggios/cadences/chords, going all the way back and reviewing the keys I have done, with their relative minors, etc.

Thanks, Roland V-Piano! [goofy grin, thumbs up, and...FREEZE FRAME!]
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Bach, French Suites, No. 3 BWV 814
Brahms, Op. 118 No. 2 Intermezzo A major
Chopin, Mazurka Op. 67 No.4
With the pedal I love to meddle; When Paderewski comes this way... -Irving Berlin

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#2113426 - 07/05/13 08:10 PM Re: If you had to practice on a digital piano/keyboard... [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes

And, as others have pointed out, my laptop also makes a perfectly fine source of music itself,

And it's easy on these old eyes...
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