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#2113558 - 07/06/13 04:44 AM Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string)
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#2113612 - 07/06/13 07:48 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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#2113616 - 07/06/13 07:51 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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I know the shop and it's a very good one. Enjoy your visit!
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#2113620 - 07/06/13 08:06 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Joe, the VPC1 definitely ticks nearly all of your boxes, however it's intended purely as a piano controller, and therefore lacks the mod/pitchbend wheels. There are ways around this, such as adding an inexpensive micro-controller with the extra wheels, knobs, and buttons that you need and MIDI-ing it up to the VPC1, or even using an iPhone/iPad with the relevant apps to replicate the mod/pitchbend wheel functionality. For more information, you may wish to read section 8 on the Q&A page, here: http://kawaivpc.com/questions

The MP6/MP10 will do everything you need out of the box, however if most of what you're doing is computer-based, a lot of the boards' built-in sounds and features will probably be redundant. Also, bear in mind that the action on those two boards - while still excellent - uses a 2-sensor system, not the more responsive 3-sensor system found on newer models such as the VPC1.

By all means, please give them a try though. Fingers crossed the Kawai dealer in question has them hooked-up to a half-decent set of monitors. It might also be worth asking if they have a CA15 available, as this uses an identical action to the VPC1.

Best of luck,
James
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#2113629 - 07/06/13 08:42 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Kawai James]
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#2113636 - 07/06/13 08:51 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Keep in mind that summer NAMM is around the corner; July 11-13. There is a slim possibility for KAWAI to release the follow-up to the MP 10; perhaps an MP 11.

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#2113637 - 07/06/13 08:52 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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The CA15 is a console digital piano, so the keyboard, speakers, pedals, etc. are all built into the cabinet.

But definitely pop into Cookes and give it a play. As I say, the keyboard action is identical to the VPC1, so if you like how it feels, there's a strong chance the VPC1 could be what you're after.

Cheers,
James
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#2113641 - 07/06/13 09:00 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Pete14]
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#2113645 - 07/06/13 09:03 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Kawai James]
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#2113648 - 07/06/13 09:05 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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You are right about the availability of the instrument being a few months away, if KAWAI did indeed release a follow-up to the MP10; however, the price usually remains the same as with the older board. On the other hand, the price for the MP 10 will drop.

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#2113652 - 07/06/13 09:11 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Pete14]
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#2113657 - 07/06/13 09:20 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Originally Posted By: Ojustaboo
Hmm, do I wait.

if I wait, a new one wont be announced, if I don't it will.

That always happens to me smile

if the MP6 or 10 feels right for me, I think Ill probably buy (but will give the CA15 a try to see if I like that action better)


I went to the store thinking MP6 or MP10 but after trying a Kawai with action somewhere between those two (they didn't have MP6 or MP10) I skipped the idea and ended up with a Yamaha CP5. See here for the long version: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...tml#Post2113338

I think you're looking for basically the same thing I was, so If you find a CP5, I warmly recommend to try that. I heard that the acoustic piano teachers over here recommend that to students who insist on DPs (acoustic being preferred) but whatever feels good...
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#2113665 - 07/06/13 09:52 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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The CP1 and CP5 are both excellent instruments, with a very playable keyboard action that is ideally suited to stage use. However, I wouldn't personally recommend these boards to an individual seeing an acoustic piano-like action on which to study classical piano.

Kind regards,
James
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#2113743 - 07/06/13 01:05 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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#2113754 - 07/06/13 01:23 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Originally Posted By: Ojustaboo
Just a wasted almost 4 hrs for both me and my wife (we left right after my previous post, I've just got back) and around £10 worth of petrol.


No no, you got to spend 4 hrs of quality time with your wife and also got a story to tell smile
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#2113811 - 07/06/13 03:10 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Originally Posted By: Ojustaboo
Out of principle, they've lost me as a customer


When you saw how bad the traffic situation was did you consider 'phoning ahead to the shop?
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#2113814 - 07/06/13 03:13 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Mikael L]
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#2113816 - 07/06/13 03:24 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: EssBrace]
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#2113827 - 07/06/13 03:35 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Ok, I take your points. I've had a good relationship with Cookes. It's an old fashioned, service-orientated business. Although I can see I might have some difficulty persuading you of that!
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#2113867 - 07/06/13 05:41 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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D`ya know, I was in my local piano shop looking at certain actions. The Roland PHA 111 seemed the best and was found on the FP7F and HP 507. Nice feel. The GHE Yamaha action was good too. Found on pricey stuff, mind. As you might expect. Now tucked away unloved in a corner was this Kork LP 350 at a substantial knockdown, to £695 new.

The action was great. It had a minimalist stand and sounded good against the wall.
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#2113870 - 07/06/13 05:53 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Ojustaboo, sorry to hear of your unsuccessful trip.

To be fair though, Saturday evening traffic in Norwich is horrendous at the best of times, and the road closures for the Lord Mayor's Procession would no doubt have complicated the issue further. I expect Cookes decided to close-up a little early in order to allow staff to return home to their families before a reasonable time.

I'm also inclined to agree with EssBrace about phoning ahead before setting off, just to double-check the situation. Even though the shop did respond to your email the same afternoon, the staff may not have expected you to visit that day.

Anyway, to look on the bright side, as Mikael noted, as least you got to spend some quality time with your better half. wink

Cheers,
James
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#2113886 - 07/06/13 06:17 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Just to weigh in, I would give the shop (another) chance. From their perspective they had not heard from you or seen you within the last hour or so of closing, and probably thought 'this guy who phoned earlier cannot be serious' since a decent audition and test of two instruments would need an hour or so. IMHO.


Edited by spanishbuddha (07/06/13 06:18 PM)

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#2113895 - 07/06/13 06:36 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: peterws]
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D`ya know, I was in my local piano shop looking at certain actions. The Roland PHA 111 seemed the best and was found on the FP7F and HP 507. Nice feel. The GHE Yamaha action was good too. Found on pricey stuff, mind. As you might expect. Now tucked away unloved in a corner was this Kork LP 350 at a substantial knockdown, to £695 new.

The action was great. It had a minimalist stand and sounded good against the wall.

Beware of anything with Korg's RH3 action. I had an SP250 (same action) for a while, and discovered that while it had seemed great in the auditioning phase, when I mostly put it to the test by playing big, bombastic stuff (it felt very secure for this kind of playing), it is terrible for softer, more nuanced playing. The notes cut off at a quite low key depth, and add to that the feel is rather springy, and these two factors make it very easy to create an abruptly cut-off staccato sound when you're attempting to play delicately. I have since been able to upgrade to a Roland FP7F, which is WORLDS better. If you have to stay in a lower price range, be sure to try playing a wide variety of touches to see how well the keyboard responds. I felt like continuing to practice on the Korg with the RH3 action would be detrimental to my technique.
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#2114045 - 07/07/13 02:17 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Thomas Williams]
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Thanks for that THOMAS WILLIAMS. Sounds like a bit of advice I need to look at . . . .
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#2114090 - 07/07/13 06:52 AM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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#2114635 - 07/08/13 12:16 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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#2114739 - 07/08/13 03:45 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Originally Posted By: Ojustaboo
I've just got back from Cookes, I'm very glad I went there, a superb shop, very very helpful and nice staff.

I've just ordered a new MP10 which should be arriving at Cookes in a couple of days.


*thumbs up*
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#2114745 - 07/08/13 03:56 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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Originally Posted By: Ojustaboo
I've just got back from Cookes, I'm very glad I went there, a superb shop, very very helpful and nice staff.

I've just ordered a new MP10 which should be arriving at Cookes in a couple of days.



Excellent, glad it went well.
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#2114767 - 07/08/13 04:39 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: Ojustaboo]
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did you find out why they were closed earlier that day?
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#2114785 - 07/08/13 05:07 PM Re: Advice on which DP to buy (how long is a piece of string) [Re: shinegamix]
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