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#2113709 - 07/06/13 11:39 AM Hanon
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so my teacher assigned me some hannon, i noticed i was stalling on the 1 hits because it its just interval increments except the 1 > 2 finger is a 3rd (where the hand actual moves position). got that fixed up by just doing it instead of spending time in my head concerning "whats next".

i spent some time on it and i can increase the speed considerably from where i was (could barely do it lol) to what i'd guess is about 70 bpm. im having a hard time including a metronome in these exercises however. it goes so fast i can barely keep track. so my strategy was to get it down cold THEN include the metronome to speed test myself as these are just exercises so i didn't think it was as important as using it on the actual piece work (i use it religiously on those i actually prefer it.

my question: am i doing myself a disservice by not including the metronome on this???

also, once i learned the pattern, i pretty much stopped looking at the sheet music and ledger lines really do give me the hardest time as far as reading goes... should i slow down and follow along with the notes or are those two different practice regimens? example: slow down and pay attention to the sheet when im trying to do a sight reading/ note reading exercise and then go as fast as i can to a metronome?


Edited by Sweet06 (07/06/13 06:04 PM)
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#2113724 - 07/06/13 12:23 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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I think it probably depends on your teacher. I would ask him or her. My teacher prefers that I just learn the pattern and play it mostly from memeory. He also does not have me just do the exercises the way they are written except for the first time. He has me transpose them, play them with different rhythms and use different articulations. He also does not advocate playing them the way it is written, using just the fingers. When we first started them, we spt a lot of time with me trying to learn how to use my wrists and arms, not just my fingers. The hardest one was to play one hand as written and swing the other hand. It took me 5 weeks to be able to do that. As far as the metronome, my teacher always wants it on for things liked Hannon, Czerny, and scales.
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#2113774 - 07/06/13 02:04 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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Sweet06, I find that when starting something new with metronome, that I need to slow it down first. Too fast leads to unevenness in my playing. Sometimes I also set the metronome for the half beat, I find it helps until I get more control.

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#2113776 - 07/06/13 02:09 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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FYI, it's Hanon.
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#2113782 - 07/06/13 02:24 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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Definitely listen to your teacher in terms of playing Hanon. Generally these exercises are used for very specific purposes. My teacher never even mentioned they were from a book. Just taught me the pattern and I started practicing. For me they are mainly to improve finger independence and uniformity. My teacher has never been interested in me playing them at the intended tempo or with a metronome. It has been all about finger motion, hand shape and pure distinct tones. Sometime I think we adults over think what and why we are being told to doing something.

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#2113833 - 07/06/13 03:50 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Andy Platt]
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Technical exercises such as this are usually intended to be learned by rote.
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#2113877 - 07/06/13 06:03 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Daniel Corban]
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im sorry daniel im not familiar with "rote". apologies for the misspelling. just from doing them i was kind of getting the impression that... this is clearly not music, its meant to help with certain skills. im not good enough to know EXACTLY what those skills are, but im pretty good when theirs actual music involved to hit the right beats and be on track as far as rhythm goes (5 years violin really helped with that). so i took it upon myself to turn the metronome off and focus on technique and then up the speed as fast as i could while keeping technique and accuracy good. I did have a peice that finally took me from the middle c position and the c5 position and had me go up and down an octave and mastering the hanon exercise first REALLY helped with that as i WAS struggling with that piece until then. I'll tell all this to my teacher monday and see what he says smile

*edited the topic title to the correct spelling


Edited by Sweet06 (07/06/13 06:04 PM)
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#2113890 - 07/06/13 06:29 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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Originally Posted By: Sweet06
i was kind of getting the impression that... this is clearly not music, its meant to help with certain skills.


Hanon is not exactly "music", (except for perhaps #60), but it does contain elements that do occur in music.

For example, #1 is part of a scale, so if you play it smoothly and carefully, those qualities will translate into your playing of scales, and into repertoire that includes scales or sections of scales. Also, you will develop the ability to play that up and down the keyboard.

(Yes, I know scales will do the same, but many beginners have enough difficulty with scale fingering that Hanon #1 builds essentially the same skills without the fingering hassle, which can take one's attention away from playing in a relaxed manner.)

Another example is trills. Hanon has several exercises for trills, which occur throughout music.

Bottom line is, with everything you play at the piano, it is important to play it musically, as if it is music...so when that set of notes occurs in a piece you are learning, you will have practiced it with "the music in it", rather than mechanically, which some do with Hanon.
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#2113912 - 07/06/13 07:19 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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I practice Hanon No 1 daily and have done so for a few months, recently I have added 9, 11, & 20. I may do more in the future but for now this has been enough to make a difference to my finger dexterity and particularly in helping my 4th & 5th fingers. My teacher does not teach this exercise method but is more than happy to see me doing any technical exercises.

Starting off with no 1 was really hard, the others came a little easier but take perseverance. I don't use a metronome and I don't try to follow the sheet music as this is an exercise only. I don't use a metronome at other times but for these exercises I don't want my competitive nature to be influenced by having a race. If I find myself going too fast I will pull back a little and remind myself to lift the finger higher in order to get the benefit.

This is a useful site

http://www.hanon-online.com/the-virtuoso-pianist/part-i/
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#2113932 - 07/06/13 08:17 PM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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@ earlofmar i find myself going a little to quickly as well, for the same reasons... like i have something to prove haha. glad to see like minds!
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#2114020 - 07/07/13 12:06 AM Re: Hannon [Re: Sweet06]
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Agree that there are many reasons to assign Hanon exercises, so be sure to check with your teacher. Personally I like them not only for speed and accuracy, but to also work feel and legato using a very slow speed. I think it's ok to practice each pattern a few times without a metronome until you get the feel of it. But ultimately, to make sure you are staying steady, adding the metronome is essential.

A little trick if you are having trouble syncing to the metronome. Double the time to 2 clicks per beat. Some metronomes will let you switch to an eighth note pattern. This way you're hearing more clicks. Makes it a little easier to stay on track.

By the way, for those of you with a little more experience with rhythm and feel, try going the other way. Set the metronome to the half note and try to play through. Fun little challenge.
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